stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your statistics you ask for will come soon, i just got off work.

Still waiting......

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still waiting......

Don't be foolish Alarti, I gave you statistics earlier and due to your inability to carry on an actual debate of facts instead of alarmist assertions, you ignored them and moved on. You use the 'I'm still waiting on those statistics' game to try and change the subject without admitting that you pull 'facts' out of your ass.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't be foolish Alarti, I gave you statistics earlier and due to your inability to carry on an actual debate of facts instead of alarmist assertions, you ignored them and moved on. You use the 'I'm still waiting on those statistics' game to try and change the subject without admitting that you pull 'facts' out of your ass.

No... you gave me an opinion without the support of statistics. Just because you say something is true.... doesn't make it so.

99% of the world's population agrees with me (I.E.)

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No... you gave me an opinion without the support of statistics. Just because you say something is true.... doesn't make it so.

99% of the world's population agrees with me (I.E.)

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know I bucked your CNN talking points, but here is some info for you. Please let me know when I can receive my education on validating the authenticity of officially reported crime statistics and stats gathering. I look forward to your expert guidance. Thanks.

Crime rates and details for England:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publica...12?view=Binary

Changes in the way England reports crime statistics to baseline the numbers:
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN02607

More Parliament Crime Stats:
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN01940

General Commentary:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-a-decade.html
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...e-under-Labour
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...89-decade.html

Chances of being killed in a mass shooting, he says, are probably no greater than being struck by lightning. I'll let you review the extensive credentials of the expert cited. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...#ixzz2HiK5uz1n


US Crime Stats by Weapon Type / Circumstance:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...-data-table-11

[Alarti0001]

Nice must have missed these ill peruse them for you real quick

[Alarti0001]

Lol did you even read these stats? Most of them refute your own claim. The one time over the course of many years the gun violence went up isnt an indication of your claim. That is what as known as an outlier.


Violent crime should be measure at the rate of crime incidents based on total population.

Example if you have a population of 100 with 1 violent crime that year and the next year you have 200 people with 2 crimes. That is not an increase in the crime rate. Even though it is a doubling of the total crime.

I'd suggest learning a bit about statistics before you let sensational media fool you.

First step is to verify the data collection process http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-a...e-Systems.html

Second step look for the length of the data to make your comparison. Throw away outliers.

Third step Statistics!



Per 100k deaths the UK with stricter gun control laws has about 1 death, where the US has about 5 per 100k. The same goes for the other gun control laws in western europe. Compare first world countries for more accurate results as obvious developing and third world countries will have more violent crime by nature, (also more access to machine and assault weapons.

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol did you even read these stats? Most of them refute your own claim. The one time over the course of many years the gun violence went up isnt an indication of your claim. That is what as known as an outlier.


Violent crime should be measure at the rate of crime incidents based on total population.

Example if you have a population of 100 with 1 violent crime that year and the next year you have 200 people with 2 crimes. That is not an increase in the crime rate. Even though it is a doubling of the total crime.

I'd suggest learning a bit about statistics before you let sensational media fool you.

First step is to verify the data collection process http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-a...e-Systems.html

Second step look for the length of the data to make your comparison. Throw away outliers.

Third step Statistics!



Per 100k deaths the UK with stricter gun control laws has about 1 death, where the US has about 5 per 100k. The same goes for the other gun control laws in western europe. Compare first world countries for more accurate results as obvious developing and third world countries will have more violent crime by nature, (also more access to machine and assault weapons.

Alarti... You just called this guy dumb. Let me tell you what is dumb, and sad.

its dumb that you never cease to shut your mouth, you live for and love arguing.

Now let me tell you what's sad... Lol. You just spent your Friday night reading a ton of statistics on a fucking Friday night just to further your argument. Dude fuckin pm me your address please, I want to send you a 100.00 bill so you can go out and get a piece of ass. Seriously I'm not kidding, I want to make your life happier dude, I got much love for you. Please pm me when you get a minute.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alarti... You just called this guy dumb. Let me tell you what is dumb, and sad.

its dumb that you never cease to shut your mouth, you live for and love arguing.

Now let me tell you what's sad... Lol. You just spent your Friday night reading a ton of statistics on a fucking Friday night just to further your argument. Dude fuckin pm me your address please, I want to send you a 100.00 bill so you can go out and get a piece of ass. Seriously I'm not kidding, I want to make your life happier dude, I got much love for you. Please pm me when you get a minute.

It took me 10 minutes after my workout and before my shower to look at those statistics. Also, I live with my g/f so she would probably frown on me going out to get a "piece of ass" as you call it. Also, my last post was at 7:37 pm, I don't really know that many people who go out before 8 to get "ass". I am sorry that you operate on geriatric hours but I guess the bingo parlor is only open for so long.


You want to comment on my intelligence yet the only arguments you can provide are, You dumb, You need get laid, and you sad. That is truly pathetic.

How about your "shut your mouth" unless you have viable information to provide. Like those statistics you mentioned? Right now it seems you are nothing more than a puffed up liar.

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol did you even read these stats? Most of them refute your own claim. The one time over the course of many years the gun violence went up isnt an indication of your claim. That is what as known as an outlier.


Violent crime should be measure at the rate of crime incidents based on total population.

Example if you have a population of 100 with 1 violent crime that year and the next year you have 200 people with 2 crimes. That is not an increase in the crime rate. Even though it is a doubling of the total crime.

I'd suggest learning a bit about statistics before you let sensational media fool you.

First step is to verify the data collection process http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-a...e-Systems.html

Second step look for the length of the data to make your comparison. Throw away outliers.

Third step Statistics!



Per 100k deaths the UK with stricter gun control laws has about 1 death, where the US has about 5 per 100k. The same goes for the other gun control laws in western europe. Compare first world countries for more accurate results as obvious developing and third world countries will have more violent crime by nature, (also more access to machine and assault weapons.

Thanks for getting out your elementary statistics books and posting the intro to chapter 1, it was very helpful and I appreciate the lesson in statistics and data analysis. Please refer to Humerox's reply for more information. I appreciate the guidance that a seasoned hand like yours provides.

While you have the statistics book out, please see if there is anything in there regarding being able to apply data and analysis to a conversation that we are actually having and not some arbitrary facts about a comparison between overall violence between two cultures as opposed to an identifiable effect that gun controls has on a population either positive or negative. Since you've already looked at the data once and can't seem to find the answer, I will give you a hint. Restrictive gun laws, when implemented in Britain, increased the rate of murder and violent crime. Alternatively, you can go back about 6 pages, read my post, and then shit your pants for having realized that you are nothing and you know nothing.

For additional steps, please google video search glengary glen ross. Thank you.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for getting out your elementary statistics books and posting the intro to chapter 1, it was very helpful and I appreciate the lesson in statistics and data analysis. Please refer to Humerox's reply for more information. I appreciate the guidance that a seasoned hand like yours provides.

While you have the statistics book out, please see if there is anything in there regarding being able to apply data and analysis to a conversation that we are actually having and not some arbitrary facts about a comparison between overall violence between two cultures as opposed to an identifiable effect that gun controls has on a population either positive or negative. Since you've already looked at the data once and can't seem to find the answer, I will give you a hint. Restrictive gun laws, when implemented in Britain, increased the rate of murder and violent crime. Alternatively, you can go back about 6 pages, read my post, and then shit your pants for having realized that you are nothing and you know nothing.

For additional steps, please google video search glengary glen ross. Thank you.

You should probably take your own advice. You need to learn to apply your statistics.

I guess I need to provide more elementary statistics since you still can't seem to understand the basics. You need a large enough sample size for a normal distribution. This is largely dependent on the population of your data but a accepted minimum is 30. You took 1 value and tried to make a claim on that value.
If you had any clue about what you were doing you would realize that isnt a responsible practice.You are basically cherry picking the information you want to serve your bias.

How dare you!



Also, please learn what statistics are and how to evaluate them, you are quite embarrassing.