stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh? Do explain. Also, describe pussification. Are you talking about people able to apply reason to a subject rather than force? If so zombies are generally seen as mindless, so zombies would be more applicable to meatheads who can only use force to solve their disputes. BRAINNNNSSSSSS

Define reason. Are you talking about the statistics that show that gun controls do not decrease violent crime or perhaps the statistics that show that excessive gun restrictions / prohibition actually increases violent crime as seen in England and other countries? Or perhaps you are talking about the 'reason' that it takes to be afraid of mass killings even though the actual chance of being involved in one is close to the chance of being struck by lightning? Alternatively, the 'reason' that you apply could have something to do with deaths by rifles being less than people that kill others with their bare hands or that get beaten to death by rocks and clubs? Please shed some light on the 'reason' that you apply instead of force?

Realistically by 'reason' you mean that you don't use guns and in all likelihood are afraid of guns (you won't admit it certainly). It's strange how history seems to repeat itself and that some American's value their liberty. Some of these 'foolish' 'backwoods' American's can look at history and see that almost every tyrannical government and outrageous act by a governing body started with the disarming of the people.

But you are correct, we should 'reason' our way into turning over our personal protection to the government since that was in the past and our government would never do that. Besides, the police are there to protect us moments after it counts and notify your loved ones anyways. You have opened my eyes.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Define reason. Are you talking about the statistics that show that gun controls do not decrease violent crime or perhaps the statistics that show that excessive gun restrictions / prohibition actually increases violent crime as seen in England and other countries? Or perhaps you are talking about the 'reason' that it takes to be afraid of mass killings even though the actual chance of being involved in one is close to the chance of being struck by lightning? Alternatively, the 'reason' that you apply could have something to do with deaths by rifles being less than people that kill others with their bare hands or that get beaten to death by rocks and clubs? Please shed some light on the 'reason' that you apply instead of force?

Show me these statistics please. Because scientifically gathered stats speak to the opposite. If you actually have "statistics". I'll link mine after you show me yours. Then I will teach you how to validate the authenticity of the stats gathering.

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Show me these statistics please. Because scientifically gathered stats speak to the opposite. If you actually have "statistics". I'll link mine after you show me yours. Then I will teach you how to validate the authenticity of the stats gathering.

I know I bucked your CNN talking points, but here is some info for you. Please let me know when I can receive my education on validating the authenticity of officially reported crime statistics and stats gathering. I look forward to your expert guidance. Thanks.

Crime rates and details for England:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publica...12?view=Binary

Changes in the way England reports crime statistics to baseline the numbers:
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN02607

More Parliament Crime Stats:
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN01940

General Commentary:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-a-decade.html
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...e-under-Labour
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...89-decade.html

Chances of being killed in a mass shooting, he says, are probably no greater than being struck by lightning. I'll let you review the extensive credentials of the expert cited. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...#ixzz2HiK5uz1n


US Crime Stats by Weapon Type / Circumstance:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...-data-table-11