Raiding scene changes proposal

[Vexenu]

The idea that leveling up/buying multiple characters and parking them at targets all across the game world is a legitimate and/or desirable form of competition is asinine. The fact that you can buy and sell accounts openly on the server, coupled with the existence of the RMT market makes such claims absurd on their face.

Pre-announced raid mobs spawns and PvP enabled raid zones = true guild competition.

Calling anything less than that true competition between guilds is a complete joke.

If TMO actually desired competition between guilds (as they claim), then that's what they'd want. But TMO desires winning above everything else, so they don't.

And really, I don't fault them for defending their current advantageous position. That's just human nature. But their claim that they do so because they prefer "competition" is transparently disingenuous to anyone paying attention.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The idea that leveling up/buying multiple characters and parking them at targets all across the game world is a legitimate and/or desirable form of competition is asinine. The fact that you can buy and sell accounts openly on the server, coupled with the existence of the RMT market makes such claims absurd on their face.

Pre-announced raid mobs spawns and PvP enabled raid zones = true guild competition.

Calling anything less than that true competition between guilds is a complete joke.

If TMO actually desired competition between guilds (as they claim), then that's what they'd want. But TMO desires winning above everything else, so they don't.

And really, I don't fault them for defending their current advantageous position. That's just human nature. But their claim that they do so because they prefer "competition" is transparently disingenuous to anyone paying attention.

All of your claims are wrong and a complete joke. Considering everything that humans do is "human nature", pretty much everything you said is moot.

[quido]

I want competition that isn't a result of our relative advantage being diminished by stupid changes. Want to gain an edge? Earn it.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All of your claims are wrong and a complete joke. Considering everything that humans do is "human nature", pretty much everything you said is moot.

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This is literally the worst attempt at refutation I've seen on the internet, ever.

'All your claims are wrong, a joke, and everything you said is moot because human nature encompasses all human activity'

Is it even possible to be more intentionally obtuse and pedantic, while totally ignoring the main thrust of what I said?

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I want competition that isn't a result of our relative advantage being diminished by stupid changes. Want to gain an edge? Earn it.

I can see your point if you honestly view the current status of raiding (with camping out multiple characters and such) as 'competition', and a desirable form of competition at that.

I just don't think most people on the server would agree with your opinion on that.

[quido]

Tell me how I should want my competition to be.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tell me how I should want my competition to be.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pre-announced raid mobs spawns and PvP enabled raid zones = true guild competition.

That is true guild vs. guild competition. I'm not saying you should want it (or expecting you to), I'm saying that calling the status quo 'competition' is like calling a pie eating contest the sporting event of the century.

A bit of a misnomer, yeah?

I'm also saying that if you actually enjoy the status quo of poopsocking/toon parking/etc... that you are unquestionably in the minority here and off the charts masochistic even by classic EQ player standards.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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This is literally the worst attempt at refutation I've seen on the internet, ever.

'All your claims are wrong, a joke, and everything you said is moot because human nature encompasses all human activity'

Is it even possible to be more intentionally obtuse and pedantic, while totally ignoring the main thrust of what I said?

No and that was the point. You made claims based on your opinion and called them fact. They aren't there really wasn't much to refute.


Your post boils down to "I have this opinion on how you should raid, and I am right".


So I responded to a pointless post with one of my own to make it readily apparent how ridiculous your post was.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No and that was the point. You made claims based on your opinion and called them fact. They aren't there really wasn't much to refute.


Your post boils down to "I have this opinion on how you should raid, and I am right".


So I responded to a pointless post with one of my own to make it readily apparent how ridiculous your post was.

Nothing in this post is valid.

Refuted.

/victory

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing in this post is valid.

Refuted.

/victory

I could have refuted your entire post with one word, why?

[quido]

With the exception of Trakanon, I park toons to make my life easier and not have to run around and get ports and OT hammer as much. I enjoy the flexibility and options. It's less of a task than raiding as much as I would like to and trying to make the same raids without any preparation. I don't give a fuck about losing some mobs here and there to folks that are willing to go get them. Most of my "parks" aren't to try to avert this - they're to save me some time so I can get back to doing what I was doing.