So your guns keep you safe?

[Hailto]

http://youtu.be/BRQqieimwLQ

Incendiary rounds are heat seeking bullets, who knew.

[vaylorie]

Harmonium's long post was awesome.

Humerox, you got your shit pushed in by about 30 people in this thread. I enjoyed it and I thank you for that. This year is coming up alright.

[Humerox]

Harm's entire argument hinged on:

The Second Amendment is primarily about the citizens being able to protect themselves from the government.

There's so many holes in that it ain't funny. Anyone that actually believes that nonsense is either brainwashed or a fool.

But hey...however you get your jollies.

[Tokage Sohei]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Harm's entire argument hinged on:

The Second Amendment is primarily about the citizens being able to protect themselves from the government.

There's so many holes in that it ain't funny. Anyone that actually believes that nonsense is either brainwashed or a fool.

But hey...however you get your jollies.

You go back and forth between providing counter-points and just throwing out logical fallacies. The former is the basis for healthy debate, the latter just makes it look like you don't have any ground left to stand on.

Now, I realize that this is P99 RNF so I don't hold anyone to actually debate a topic properly, but "debating" with logical fallacies doesn't go anyone any good.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Tokage Sohei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You go back and forth between providing counter-points and just throwing out logical fallacies. The former is the basis for healthy debate, the latter just makes it look like you don't have any ground left to stand on.

Now, I realize that this is P99 RNF so I don't hold anyone to actually debate a topic properly, but "debating" with logical fallacies doesn't go anyone any good.

Pretty slick, Tokage...but that the citizens of this country don't have the collective will, nor will they ever have to fight a direct confrontation against their own government aren't logical fallacies, they're fact.

Individual gun rights equaling a defense against tyranny in the US is itself a logical fallacy.

The internet and free communication are much more powerful tools against tyranny in this technological age, and that's been proven.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.

James Madison

[moklianne]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty slick, Tokage...but that the citizens of this country don't have the collective will, nor will they ever have to fight a direct confrontation against their own government aren't logical fallacies, they're fact.

Individual gun rights equaling a defense against tyranny in the US is itself a logical fallacy.

The internet and free communication are much more powerful tools against tyranny in this technological age, and that's been proven.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.

James Madison

I agree with that. If the government comes knockin on your door, what are you going to do? You think you stand a chance with your semi automatics against tanks and armored vehicles? If the government wanted to wipe out an area, they would just do it. You wouldn't see it coming.

The second amendment was written at a time where everyone could easily have the same level of technology because nothing complex existed. The second amendment never kept up with the times, so its irrelevant as a measure of keeping the government in check. Not only can the average citizen not afford tanks or anti-aircraft weapons, they don't allow you to have them. Its fine to use firearms for hunting, sport, etc, but don't kid yourselves if you think you are going to be able to protect yourselves from the government.

And, if sport, hunting, or personal safety are the only reasons to keep firearms, then there is no reason to have extended clips. If you can't bring down a deer in 2 or 3 shots, then you suck as a hunter and should learn how to actually use that rifle. If you have a handgun and are defending your family, you don't need a clip with 20 or 30 rounds in it. If you do, again, you are a lousy shot and need to spend some more time at the range. Learn how to actually shoot.