Raid Rules Alternative

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, i dont like the calendar idea, and i dont like being implied that if im against calendars, i must be for camping/mobilizing. Youre trolling.

then, sir, you will never see bosses for the months to come if you are not in IB or DA. changing engage timer or booting afk ppl wont change ANYTHING

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

then, sir, you will never see bosses for the months to come if you are not in IB or DA. changing engage timer or booting afk ppl wont change ANYTHING

Broad generalization. Another one. Keep up that line of arguing, it seems to be helping your case.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Broad generalization. Another one. Keep up that line of arguing, it seems to be helping your case.

so what am i generalizing?

the fact that only IB and DA are scouting or camping boss mobs 24/7 rite now and will for the weeks/months to come?
the fact that changing engage timers to 2 or 6 hours wont change anything since the rest of the server has jobs and families?
the fact that a calendar WILL give EVERYONE the oportunity to kill bosses?

please, enlighten me and tell me how iam generalizing FACTS

[Lucrio40]

This is how raid targets should be decided.

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[astarothel]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so what am i generalizing?

the fact that only IB and DA are scouting or camping boss mobs 24/7 rite now and will for the weeks/months to come?
the fact that changing engage timers to 2 or 6 hours wont change anything since the rest of the server has jobs and families?
the fact that a calendar WILL give EVERYONE the oportunity to kill bosses?

please, enlighten me and tell me how iam generalizing FACTS

how are Divinity and Remedy getting some kills and loot then? Magic?

Time invested needs to have a corresponding value placed upon it.
A straight enforced rotation denies this simple and accepted truth.

Trans seems unwilling to accept anything less than a straight enforced rotation. At least Fish Bait had the balls to say "fuck you, we won't follow your rules" when they refused to negotiate.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Time invested needs to have a corresponding value placed upon it.
A straight enforced rotation denies this simple and accepted truth.

remedy "invests" 18 hours total per week (fixed days) on raids for ~2 months now. so it have been 90 hours for 1 opportunity so far to hit a boss since inno was up that evening we raided

i think there is some misscalculation in your "corresponding value to time invested"

right now its more like: play 24/7 and ull get the lewtz

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

right now its more like: play 24/7 and ull get the lewtz

Suffice to say, it is. The easiest solution, as we've seen it from multiple guilds, is recruitment of players in all time zones to allow for a large enough of a force to maintain the upper hand. That's not ideal, but everyone wants to win.

To be blunt: you've put about as much work in as anyone else but haven't gone the extra mile of seeing through to the end result. You invested 90 hours and received one shot at Innoruuk. I'm glad you had a chance at him as he's got a fairly large amount of items for anyone on the raid to enjoy. The problem is those hours weren't consecutive. We just spent, what? 96 consecutive hours for Innoruuk?

We aren't entitled to more, but we were willing to stick it out till the end result. We invested just as much time in less than a week than you did in 2 months. There are two ends of the spectrum here.

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think there is some misscalculation in your "corresponding value to time invested"

right now its more like: play 24/7 and ull get the lewtz

7*24=168

168 >> 18

there is no miscalculation.

[Erasong]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

then, sir, you will never see bosses for the months to come if you are not in IB or DA. changing engage timer or booting afk ppl wont change ANYTHING

You should not be given a boss mob simply becuase you play here. Sorry but just no. If thats the case lets give out a starter package to everyone who rolls on the server of 1 yak 1 fbss 1 SMR and 1 GEB's simply for deciding this is the server for them. these tiems are always camped and they deserve it too right? I dont know why you feel you deserve free stuff but ya. Im sorry if this came out as a flame. it wasnt intended too. I just feel strongly about it. Camping/mobilizing/batphoning may not seem like work to you ( in fact id agree ), but the fact is that IS the work required in a GAME to achieve certain goals and not just in the raid scene. Who has gotten an FBSS without SOMEONE camping it or the cash to buy it? Ive raced for 6 man mobs before also.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Erasong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should not be given a boss mob simply becuase you play here. Sorry but just no. If thats the case lets give out a starter package to everyone who rolls on the server of 1 yak 1 fbss 1 SMR and 1 GEB's simply for deciding this is the server for them. these tiems are always camped and they deserve it too right? I dont know why you feel you deserve free stuff but ya. Im sorry if this came out as a flame. it wasnt intended too. I just feel strongly about it. Camping/mobilizing/batphoning may not seem like work to you ( in fact id agree ), but the fact is that IS the work required in a GAME to achieve certain goals and not just in the raid scene. Who has gotten an FBSS without SOMEONE camping it or the cash to buy it? Ive raced for 6 man mobs before also.

just having the opportunity to engange a mob doesnt mean that the mob will be killed. if a guild fails then it will be passed to the next one in line. sounds easy, rite?