So your guns keep you safe?

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Tokage Sohei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because you feel safe with 6 shots doesn't mean I do. Multiple intruders or assailants is a very real possibility and individuals under the effects of various substances have been shot multiple times with little immediate effect on stopping the threat they pose. Do I expect to ever have to use my firearms for such a situation? Nope. But I can't help but go back to the age old "I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it..."

Let's face the facts here... criminals don't care about the laws. Any gun related legislation primarily effects the law abiding citizens who use their firearms for recreation and/or personal protection and have no dark intent behind their ownership. For those of you who have never purchased a firearm... here's a copy of the FEDERAL form the BATFE requires be completed for the sale of any firearm by a licensed dealer: http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf -- If you take a look at the question 11 and its sub-questions you'll see the list of automatic disqualifiers for the purchase... answer "no" to a or "yes" to any of b-k and you're not able to complete the purchase/sale. After this form is completed the dealer then calls in all of the information and gets either a "Proceed", "Hold", or "No" on the sale as a final check via federal databases. During a private sale (possible only with residents of the same state -- if from different states the transaction must be middle-manned by a licensed FFL), the seller attests that to the best of their knowledge the buyer is legally able to make the purchase and the seller attests the same. If any of these conditions are not met, you're looking at an illegal transaction which is beyond the scope of "legal gun ownership". Basically, my point here is that a vast majority of gun owners have to hold themselves to a higher standard than non-gun owners or else they put their legal ownership at risk.

It's entirely possible the Crypts and the Bloods are going to invade your home because they saw you buy a coffee a Starbucks and figured anyone with the disposable income to pay that much for coffee should be robbed.

It's possible the apocalypse will happen tomorrow and you'll have to play Mad Max .

Look...I understand your argument but the foundation is weak. If you really need something like this:

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to feel safe I really feel sorry for ya. I'd move if I were you.

Besides, the next mass murder by an assault-style weapon can be prevented. But it probably won't be because people like to have AK's instead of reasonable firearms and if it ever comes time to use them 50% of the owners will probably shoot their own damn selves because they're idiots.

[Tokage Sohei]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's entirely possible the Crypts and the Bloods are going to invade your home because they saw you buy a coffee a Starbucks and figured anyone with the disposable income to pay that much for coffee should be robbed.

It's possible the apocalypse will happen tomorrow and you'll have to play Mad Max .

Look...I understand your argument but the foundation is weak. If you really need something like this:

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to feel safe I really feel sorry for ya. I'd move if I were you.

Besides, the next mass murder by an assault-style weapon can be prevented. But it probably won't be because people like to have AK's instead of reasonable firearms and if it ever comes time to use them 50% of the owners will probably shoot their own damn selves because they're idiots.

Self-defense was only part of my post. I'm a law-obiding, responsible, gun owner who has firearms for both self-defense and recreation. I don't own an AK-style rifle, but I do own AR-type rifles and they are a lot of fun to shoot. The flexible platform allows for various configurations to be had with shared parts/easy maintenance. That being said, if I'm in my home I'm grabbing my shotgun (1st choice by far) or AR (distant second choice simply due to much higher chance of over penetration) before my handguns are touched because they are far better options for defense. My handguns are for the range and for carry.

I would love to believe that murder or mass murder could be so simply prevented, but I simply don't believe that's the case. As for the "reasonable firearms" comment... you have your definition of "reasonable" and I have mine. There's a wide spectrum of what people believe is "reasonable", and any discussion involving it is bound to lead to some slippery slope or another so I'll simply leave it be.

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you really need something like this to feel safe I really feel sorry for ya. I'd move if I were you.

I own an assault rifle not because i need it to feel safe, but because i enjoy target shooting and collecting weapons. Deal with it pussy.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I own an assault rifle not because i need it to feel safe, but because i enjoy target shooting and collecting weapons. Deal with it pussy.

Good. So you won't have many problems when it's gone, will ya? Then maybe you can go buy yourself a Lionel Train set or something.

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good. So you won't have many problems when it's gone, will ya? Then maybe you can go buy yourself a Lionel Train set or something.

Kidding yourself if you think a full disarmament of US citizens will happen in you or my lifetime.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kidding yourself if you think a full disarmament of US citizens will happen in you or my lifetime.

If you think I'm for full disarmament you haven't read anything I've written.

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[Hailto]

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If you think I'm for full disarmament you haven't read anything I've written.

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By full disarmament, i mean if you actually believe assault rifles will be outlawed and subsequently no longer lie in civilian hands in this nation, you are kidding yourself.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By full disarmament, i mean if you actually believe assault rifles will be outlawed and subsequently no longer lie in civilian hands in this nation, you are kidding yourself.

Oh it'll happen. It will take time, but it will happen. In our lifetime.

How to Get a New Assault-Weapons Ban Through Congress.

[Vadd]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I own an assault rifle not because i need it to feel safe, but because i enjoy target shooting and collecting weapons. Deal with it pussy.

Assault rifles are necessary to protect ones self against government.