So your guns keep you safe?

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Goofier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay, first of all, calm the fuck down and drop the internet-forum, win-by-insult attitude. I realize this is a volatile subject, but this also ain't that.

I've been trying to articulate, but it's difficult with you dodging. I asked you to articulate, and the results are as expected: It's not the guns, it's the kids. At least that seems to be what you're saying, and if not, please clarify. I see your outrage, but my point (and several others) is that the gun is not the issue here, it's the outrage at the deaths of the children, with the emotion being taken out on the guns.

After all, it's easy.

Heck, not a single gun was used in 9/11, but thousands were killed. No background checks to get on a plane, no denial of flight if you've been committed to a mental facility or have a domestic violence conviction.

And not a single bullet was fired in Oklahoma, but look at all the orphans created in an instant. Look at the day-care that the asshole KNEW was in the building. No background check needed to rent a U-Haul, and still easy to get nitrogen-based fertilizers and diesel fuel.

Again, I understand your outrage, my point is your focus is misplaced.
It's not the guns, it's the nuts.
It's not the guns, it's the kids.

You want a hypothetical?
Okay, how 'bout we change the laws because not 20 kids, but thousands of kids every single year get killed, and we need to stop it.
Time to institute background checks on driver licenses.
Let's have fingerprinting for buying alcohol.
Let's license reproduction, and if you have any history of a domestic violence conviction, you're denied.

Automobiles aren't designed specifically to kill people, and a lot of legislation has been passed to increase safety. The same degree of scrutiny isn't to be applied to weapons that are designed to kill people really fast and in great number?

That's about the only part of your list I think is worth addressing. I understood the fact that you wanted to make it seem that my issue was the kids and not the guns, which - however ludicrous - would seem valid to some. The issue isn't about the kids. The kids are the straw that breaks the camel's back.

The issue with people talking about guns is the pro- "everything" gun lobby points to everything except guns. It's not that simple. People should NOT assume that I'm anti-gun because I'm against easily available high-powered weaponry that's used to kill elementary school children en-masse.

Bringing up Australia and Scotland as examples of legislation used to stop that type of killing has been ignored...likely because it's fact. I'm talking about stopping a particular type of murder that has affected other countries, and has been stopped in those countries. We need to do it here.

Common sense should dictate the actions taken. Gun legislation has never worked because it was enacted but not enforced, it never took into consideration or exempted what is currently owned in the US...there has never been a serious effort to establish standardized gun laws across the country. Why? Because gun legislation advocates are much less vocal and are much less likely to devolve into wild-eyed cavemen if told they have to be more responsible in society.

Extremist gun-rights activists miss that part. We are as responsible as a society as we are as individuals when it comes to this issue.