My proposal for Raiding guilds and GMs of P1999

[Loke]

As long as there are people willing to camp, it will continue to occur.

I don't particularly like camping, but I do it (just like the rest of DA and IB) because it's better than not getting mobs. If we did go back to a no camping thing and one guild wasn't getting as many mobs - I am willing to bet that camping would start up again. Its not going to stop as long as people are willing to do it - plain and simple.

I'm not offering any suggestions in this thread because I don't think that we need more rules. Personally I think we have too many already.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As long as there are people willing to camp, it will continue to occur.

I don't particularly like camping, but I do it (just like the rest of DA and IB) because it's better than not getting mobs. If we did go back to a no camping thing and one guild wasn't getting as many mobs - I am willing to bet that camping would start up again. Its not going to stop as long as people are willing to do it - plain and simple.

I'm not offering any suggestions in this thread because I don't think that we need more rules. Personally I think we have too many already.

If Dark Ascension stops camping, the camping will stop.

I know you'll continue to try to pretend it's some intangible problem that somehow landed on the server, but the truth is that your only strategy comes from the leader you got rid of, Salty. Your guild and your guild alone created the current raid environment. Your guild and your guild alone can stop it.

Do the right thing.

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Dark Ascension stops camping, the camping will stop.

Some other guild unhappy with the situation will zerg recruit and do the exact same camping. Rather come up with a way to nuke it for good.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some other guild unhappy with the situation will zerg recruit and do the exact same camping. Rather come up with a way to nuke it for good.

Then we'll break their balls until they come to the forums whining for help just like this.

There is a dragon on this server, but he's definitely not sleeping. I'm not sure he ever sleeps.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Dark Ascension stops camping, the camping will stop.

I know you'll continue to try to pretend it's some intangible problem that somehow landed on the server, but the truth is that your only strategy comes from the leader you got rid of, Salty. Your guild and your guild alone created the current raid environment. Your guild and your guild alone can stop it.

Do the right thing.

Yes, (and I don't speak for Dark Ascension here) but it would appear that we are unwilling to stop it since the alternative would be watching IB kill mobs.

You pretend like everyone else is just suppose to conform to the play style that you prefer, but that isn't how this works. People are going to do what benefits them - and at the moment, camping mobs benefits DA.

And as far as Salty goes, I was still in IV when Salty was around - and he was never my guild leader... so yea, can't really comment on him since I only knew him as Tyene from Combine briefly.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, (and I don't speak for Dark Ascension here) but it would appear that we are unwilling to stop it since the alternative would be watching IB kill mobs.

You pretend like everyone else is just suppose to conform to the play style that you prefer, but that isn't how this works. People are going to do what benefits them - and at the moment, camping mobs benefits DA.

And as far as Salty goes, I was still in IV when Salty was around - and he was never my guild leader... so yea, can't really comment on him since I only knew him as Tyene from Combine briefly.

You just admitted that your guild is incapable of mobilizing for a race and that this is why you have tried to eliminate that part of the EverQuest skill set. I don't understand why you're insulted when I question your skills, experience and leadership. You are sub-par, by your very own standards.

Sit and stew, then. This entire thread is yet another failed attempt at propaganda against IB. Do you know what the net effect of all this is? You make us look amazing. You make us look unbeatable. You direct the players who want to part of the best to app to us. Thanks.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just admitted that your guild is incapable of mobilizing for a race and that this is why you have tried to eliminate that part of the EverQuest skill set. I don't understand why you're insulted when I question your skills, experience and leadership. You are sub-par, by your very own standards.

Sit and stew, then. This entire thread is yet another failed attempt at propaganda against IB. Do you know what the net effect of all this is? You make us look amazing. You make us look unbeatable. You direct the players who want to part of the best to app to us. Thanks.

Wow. You make it sound like the ability to mobilize is the single greatest attribute one can possess. I have never once come here and hated on IB because I do respect most of your members and think you guys are a fine guild. However, clearly mobilizing isn't as important as you think since camping has made the mobilization tactic obsolete. Your ability to mobilize in the current raid setting is about as useful as the ability to sword fight is in a modern day armed conflict.

As far as you insulting me as a player - I think anyone who knows me or has played with me knows that I'm a fine player who knows his class and the game - so just because your GUILD (collectively) has mobilized faster than my GUILD (collectively) in the past, it says very little about the over all quality of player. It simply implies that one guild has more members within a close proximity to their computers at the time the MOB spawns.

But way to come here and run your mouth like you're some sort of EQ all-star.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow. You make it sound like the ability to mobilize is the single greatest attribute one can possess. I have never once come here and hated on IB because I do respect most of your members and think you guys are a fine guild. However, clearly mobilizing isn't as important as you think since camping has made the mobilization tactic obsolete. Your ability to mobilize in the current raid setting is about as useful as the ability to sword fight is in a modern day armed conflict.

As far as you insulting me as a player - I think anyone who knows me or has played with me knows that I'm a fine player who knows his class and the game - so just because your GUILD (collectively) has mobilized faster than my GUILD (collectively) in the past, it says very little about the over all quality of player. It simply implies that one guild has more members within a close proximity to their computers at the time the MOB spawns.

But way to come here and run your mouth like you're some sort of EQ all-star.

I honestly have no idea if you're a great, good, average, poor or awful EQ player. I think I'm a pretty good EQ player. There are a bunch of things I know how to do in theory, fewer things I can perform consistently and well, a lot of things I can do sometimes and a whole bunch of things I'm not very good at.

There is a major element of this game that your guild is so bad at that you're willing to spam recruit and sit in one spot for days on end. You have chosen to align yourself with that weak guild. That definitely brings into question both your quality as a player and your judgement as an individual.

Incidentally, your old guild, In Virtue, kicked my guild's ass up and down the block for the entire time I played on Kane Bayle. Not once did I run to the forums with whining and accusations. Not once did I petition or try to get rules changed because something wasn't fair. We worked hard and practiced and got better and got a kill here and there. I believe in rewarding hard work. I don't believe in rewarding people for gaming the system.

[Loke]

Not sure what whining you think I'm doing here Alawen. As I said in my original post in this thread - my only issue in this thread is with your need to use the topic as a means to bash on players that you know next to nothing about.

I've said on a number of occasions that I'm fine with the way things are and I think the issues will eventually work themselves out. You're complaining far more than I am in this thread guy.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly have no idea if you're a great, good, average, poor or awful EQ player. I think I'm a pretty good EQ player. There are a bunch of things I know how to do in theory, fewer things I can perform consistently and well, a lot of things I can do sometimes and a whole bunch of things I'm not very good at.

There is a major element of this game that your guild is so bad at that you're willing to spam recruit and sit in one spot for days on end. You have chosen to align yourself with that weak guild. That definitely brings into question both your quality as a player and your judgement as an individual.

Incidentally, your old guild, In Virtue, kicked my guild's ass up and down the block for the entire time I played on Kane Bayle. Not once did I run to the forums with whining and accusations. Not once did I petition or try to get rules changed because something wasn't fair. We worked hard and practiced and got better and got a kill here and there. I believe in rewarding hard work. I don't believe in rewarding people for gaming the system.

To be fair, mobilizing is almost the same in practice. If your numbers are high, you have a better chance of mobilizing than if youre a guild with low numbers but still capable of raiding. It still encourages zerging.

Again, to be fair, even if FFA is put in place, zerg guilds will have an advantage, but at least theyll have to fight for it.

It doesnt seem to me that dark ascension is bad and needs to recruit alot to compensate for a lack of skills. Ive grouped with a bunch of DAs before that were good players. Its probably the camping system that encourages zerging, because if the numbers are high enough, you can just sit there and perma-camp the mob.