So your guns keep you safe?

[Tarathiel]

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[dredge]

My solution involves a little bit of everything. I'm not against the idea of guards in schools, but it would have be done right. By that I mean every person in there would have to be well trained. There is no point in just putting some old retired dude in a school. It would involve reviving the mental health system to provide for more rigorous evaluation and make intervention easier when the family will not act. It would involve more restrictive sales of ammo to legal gun owners. It would require mandatory gun safety classes to be a legal owner. It would outlaw sales of weapons that have no purpose other than as mass killing machines. I would also be for moving firearm jurisdiction from the ATF to the FTC. That's it. And I'm not suggesting that all violence would magically disappear. My goal is simply to reduce the numbers and limit the potential carnage from any single event. Notice I didn't mention denying anyone the right to own and carry handguns, rifles or shotguns. Only the most radical lefty thinks that makes any sense. And all of the above costs money. Will people pay higher taxes after tax revolts cutting teacher salaries and police layoffs? I think it's time to quit guarding Afghanistan and every other Western hating nation and start protecting our own.

[Andrew Jackson]

Originally Posted by dredge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would require mandatory gun safety classes to be a legal owner. It would outlaw sales of weapons that have no purpose other than as mass killing machines. I would also be for moving firearm jurisdiction from the ATF to the FTC. That's it. And I'm not suggesting that all violence would magically disappear. My goal is simply to reduce the numbers and limit the potential carnage from any single event. Notice I didn't mention denying anyone the right to own and carry handguns, rifles or shotguns. Only the most radical lefty thinks that makes any sense

To legally own a gun in most states is a pain in the ass already. There are gun show loopholes but even if you buy a handgun in CA through the loophole, if you don't have the handgun owners safety certificate you are already committing a felony by owning it.

Hard to draw the line on a gun that's 'only' purpose is to mass kill, since all guns are designed to kill in general. All an assault weapon is (by the medias definition) is a magazine fed semiautomatic rifle thats 'scary' looking. They most commonly used legitimately for hunting and home defense. Hunting rifles even generally come in a larger caliber, but don't have pistol grips and other 'evil features' (legal term).

[Sly]

The Top Five Causes Of Unintentional Deat and Injury involving children worldwide:

1. Car Accidents: Kill 260,000 children a year and injure about 10 million children. They are the leading cause of death among children and a leading cause of child disability.
 

2. Drowning: Kills more than 175,000 children annually. Up to 3 million children each year survive a drowning incident. Due to brain damage in some survivors, nonfatal drowning has the highest average lifetime health and economic impact of any type of child injury. 
 

3. Burns: Fire-related burns kill nearly 96,000 children a year. 

4. Falls: Nearly 47,000 children fall to their deaths every year, but hundreds of thousands more children sustain serious injuries from a fall. 
 

5. Poisoning: More than 45,000 children die each year from unintended poisoning.






Source: World Health Organization and UNICEF

March 18, 2009 WASHINGTON, D.C. - Each year, unintentional poisonings from consumer products commonly found in the home kill about 30,000 children and prompt more than 2 million calls to the nation's poison control centers. More than 90% of these calls involve poisonings in the home. On average, each year an estimated 80,000 children are treated in hospital emergency departments for unintentional poisonings.

I don't see the anyone jumping on the badwagon to ban cars, water, fire, falls or products with poisonous contents...look at how many lives you can save!!!!!!!

Some other interesting stats for you about those mass shooters-

They were wearing pants-Ban pants
They wore shirts-Ban shirts
They wore socks-Ban socks
They breathe oxygen-Ban it
And finally...........They were all Human------Ban Humans!!!

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Sly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Top Five Causes Of Unintentional Deat and Injury involving children worldwide:

1. Car Accidents: Kill 260,000 children a year and injure about 10 million children. They are the leading cause of death among children and a leading cause of child disability.
 

2. Drowning: Kills more than 175,000 children annually. Up to 3 million children each year survive a drowning incident. Due to brain damage in some survivors, nonfatal drowning has the highest average lifetime health and economic impact of any type of child injury. 
 

3. Burns: Fire-related burns kill nearly 96,000 children a year. 

4. Falls: Nearly 47,000 children fall to their deaths every year, but hundreds of thousands more children sustain serious injuries from a fall. 
 

5. Poisoning: More than 45,000 children die each year from unintended poisoning.






Source: World Health Organization and UNICEF

March 18, 2009 WASHINGTON, D.C. - Each year, unintentional poisonings from consumer products commonly found in the home kill about 30,000 children and prompt more than 2 million calls to the nation's poison control centers. More than 90% of these calls involve poisonings in the home. On average, each year an estimated 80,000 children are treated in hospital emergency departments for unintentional poisonings.

I don't see the anyone jumping on the badwagon to ban cars, water, fire, falls or products with poisonous contents...look at how many lives you can save!!!!!!!

Some other interesting stats for you about those mass shooters-

They were wearing pants-Ban pants
They wore shirts-Ban shirts
They wore socks-Ban socks
They breathe oxygen-Ban it
And finally...........They were all Human------Ban Humans!!!

i understand the premise of this argument, but where it fails is that none of the items you mentioned were designed with the sole intent to kill, people dont make cars to kill people, people dont make pools to kill people, however guns are designed with only one purpose, and that is to kill... if you use it for anything else(sport shooting) you are not using it in the matter that it was designed. guns were created to kill.

i know what your next argument is gonna be... "but tarathiel, guns dont kill people, people kill people" this is true, and without guns they will still find other ways to kill. does this mean we shouldnt still look at ways to make owning a gun more difficult for bat shit crazy wierdo's?

please dont take this as a "omg he wants to take our guns away" style post, because its not. i dont think guns should be banned i just think we need to keep better tabs on who should be able to own them, if people want to cry about invasion of privacy or anything else then oh fucking well. id rather invade your privacy and make sure you arent one missed ritalin away from a massacre then protect your right to privacy