Power leveling should be banned.

[Noudess]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

exactly.

Noud, the reason you are getting flamed so much is mostly because of this.

*edit* eqraven, its the definition of hypocrisy. He's not saying that people need to be nice when they PL. He's saying they shouldn't be able to play at all, because he wants people to slow down and play the way that gives the most enjoyment (in this case, the way he wants them to, not the way they want to). That's hypocrisy.

No, I'm saying they shouldn't PL because it is obviously not the intent of the game, nor in the spirit of the game. I'd say the same thing about using any exploit (which I believe Pling is, as is recharging via a merchant - its a bug).

It would be hypocrisy if I told them they have to get gear rather than buy - both are intended avenues. Or if I made the role play instead of power game. All I am looking for is for a common exploit to be eliminated or reigned back. It is only needed because people that cheat are not polite. They have zero people skillsas evidenced by most of their flames (NOT including yours - you're arguing a point not name calling with no basis).

I don't care if someone levels faster.,, why should I? I enjoy the game. If all Plers would do it somewhere where others are not affected, I don't care. But when they make a mockery of the games intent. while stopping me from doing the zone within the games intent (while I could be Pling - but I won't degrade the game), then I object.

I'd only want the rule, because the type of people that cheat, are also the type that don't care about anyone besides themselves, and as such have no issue using the bug to their advantage while screwing others.

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Noudess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I'm saying they shouldn't PL because it is obviously not the intent of the game, nor in the spirit of the game. I'd say the same thing about using any exploit (which I believe Pling is, as is recharging via a merchant - its a bug).

It would be hypocrisy if I told them they have to get gear rather than buy - both are intended avenues. Or if I made the role play instead of power game. All I am looking for is for a common exploit to be eliminated or reigned back. It is only needed because people that cheat are not polite. They have zero people skillsas evidenced by most of their flames (NOT including yours - you're arguing a point not name calling with no basis).

I don't care if someone levels faster.,, why should I? I enjoy the game. If all Plers would do it somewhere where others are not affected, I don't care. But when they make a mockery of the games intent. while stopping me from doing the zone within the games intent (while I could be Pling - but I won't degrade the game), then I object.

I'd only want the rule, because the type of people that cheat, are also the type that don't care about anyone besides themselves, and as such have no issue using the bug to their advantage while screwing others.

ITT: PEOPLE THAT POWERLEVEL ARE CHEATING,LYING and EXPLOITING, but I don't care, as long as they don't do it around me, but if they take my EXP then they're cheaters and they lie and they exploit and and..

[Noudess]

Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ITT: PEOPLE THAT POWERLEVEL ARE CHEATING,LYING and EXPLOITING, but I don't care, as long as they don't do it around me, but if they take my EXP then they're cheaters and they lie and they exploit and and..

Its not that I don't care.. but what can I do? In real life someone is stealing from someone somewhere right now.. Do I not care? Of course I care, but I can't act.

Obviously in game, we all take ethics a biut less seriously. And we have to choose our battles. Yes, I pick a battle with someone ruining my experience while cheating or using exploits. If I could stop it all, I would, If I could stop all people in RL from stealing, I would.

What exactly is your point?

It amazed me how many people don't realize that people will give up things they COULD do, strictly out of a sense of right and wrong. They always assume that the person objecting is jealous. LOL. Yeah, I'm jealous of people that cheat and lie. I'm so sad that I have ethics and character and I limit myself to being kind. I give back extra money if a cashier makes a mistake. By your logic if I pointed out a mistake made by a cashier to you, I'm doing it because I'm jealous I didn't benefit from the mistake?

Could it be, that some of us, actually do the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing? And then, if someone tromps all over that, its really that bad for me to ask that people behave ethically?

[Strifer]

Originally Posted by Noudess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Could it be, that some of us, actually do the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing?

I don't completely disagree with you, but this entire issue is in such a grey fog you're never going to get any sort of GM action short of what we currently have in place. Powerleveling isn't the issue, its people being cockgoblins.

Playing a necro, I used to camp in Misty Thicket and help out younger players who were starting out. Handing out spears, giving plat, and occasionally darknessing and fearing mobs for a select few that I was having a good chat with while FD...essentially giving them xp for next to nothing. Does that make me liable to get a surprise GM visit?

And what about high level clerics/druids/shamans/whateverthehell going to oasis docks and giving sweet buffs to newer players, yet you were unable to get there in time, allowing your competition to kill faster and possibly depriving you of some mobs. Do those people deserve to have action taken against them for taking five minutes to help out strangers?

Nothing is wrong with powerleveling in many different forms and in a top-heavy server you're bound to find it, nobody wants to have their friend start a new acct and play with them, but refuse to help them because they'd rather make them go lfg for hours because thats "the way it was intended" and for some reason helping lower level chars is as bad as two boxing.

You'll find douches everywhere, if not in oasis, youll find people taking your spawns in solB, or training your afk self in Karnors. It sucks but that's also part of the game.

TL;DR- Don't hate the game, hate the douche player

[Noudess]

Originally Posted by Strifer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Playing a necro, I used to camp in Misty Thicket and help out younger players who were starting out. Handing out spears, giving plat, and occasionally darknessing and fearing mobs for a select few that I was having a good chat with while FD...essentially giving them xp for next to nothing. Does that make me liable to get a surprise GM visit?

And what about high level clerics/druids/shamans/whateverthehell going to oasis docks and giving sweet buffs to newer players, yet you were unable to get there in time, allowing your competition to kill faster and possibly depriving you of some mobs. Do those people deserve to have action taken against them for taking five minutes to help out strangers?


TL;DR- Don't hate the game, hate the douche player

No, its helping out. Sure, there is a fine line here, but common sense should figure it out pretty quickly. I think 999 out of 1000 people can discern a friendly gesture between characters and zone abuse.