Vox PUG starting 6/14/10

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Abacabb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is hardcore!

See the raid rules only pertain to guilds, there are no rules when it comes to a PUG because it's not worded in that context, so I believe this PUG has a fair shot at the encounter since we are not bound to the raid rules at the current time

Not quite true.

Originally Posted by Server Rules

Camping a Boss spawn

If two raid forces of 15 people remain in the zone of a raid npc with the intent of camping the spawn the first raid force with the 15 minimum will have rights to the first attempt provided they meet the roll call from the second raid force upon the actual spawn. A roll call will be made in shout by the raid leader of the second raid present with 15 people. The raid force who was there first is then REQUIRED to have at least 15 members reply in shout with “present” within 60 seconds. If the raid force that was there first fails to have 15 people reply within 60 seconds, the attempt will be awarded to the raid force who was there second. Once the 60 seconds has expired ,the second raid force will also have 60 seconds to shout that they are present in order to confirm claim. In order to maintain “being there first” during a camp, 15 members must remain in the zone. At any point of that number goes below 15, then first shot would change to the raid force who is present with 15. A roll call is only to be used if there is more than one raid force in a zone and then a raid mob spawns.

Not that I don't applaud your efforts... I do. In fact, hell, good luck on the encounter! We almost lost it last time.

I'm just making sure that you are aware of the rules [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Abacabb]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not quite true.



Not that I don't applaud your efforts... I do. In fact, hell, good luck on the encounter! We almost lost it last time.

I'm just making sure that you are aware of the rules [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well when you read over the same rules Modus posted, you also get lines like:

*The timer on the first guild starts when a second guild calls 30min.

* After timer starts you have the full 30min. Wipe as much as you want, let your numbers drop, etc.

* All calls are to be done in Shout so everyone in zone can see.

* The 30min timer is a timer to ENGAGE the mob. If the timer ends when a guild is actively fighting the raid mob the second guild cannot engage the mob until the first guild wipes or the mob resets (which would be from a wipe most likely)

Which because of the language only pertains the guild, we acknowledge that we have to have the force, we can't just two man this encounter, but we are not held accountable on all these calls and time limits... If we are there for the encounter, we're going for it.

[Aeolwind]

Originally Posted by Abacabb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well when you read over the same rules Modus posted, you also get lines like:

*The timer on the first guild starts when a second guild calls 30min.

* After timer starts you have the full 30min. Wipe as much as you want, let your numbers drop, etc.

* All calls are to be done in Shout so everyone in zone can see.

* The 30min timer is a timer to ENGAGE the mob. If the timer ends when a guild is actively fighting the raid mob the second guild cannot engage the mob until the first guild wipes or the mob resets (which would be from a wipe most likely)

Which because of the language only pertains the guild, we acknowledge that we have to have the force, we can't just two man this encounter, but we are not held accountable on all these calls and time limits... If we are there for the encounter, we're going for it.

Just keep thinking you aren't held accountable. You've already been banned at least 3 times I can think of you jackass. I'll be happy to add 4 to the list if you pull this garbage, along with anyone with you that chooses to follow your childish antics.

[Uaellaen]

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
i hope you get banned on your attempt to grief everyone

[Abacabb]

Originally Posted by Uaellaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
i hope you get banned on your attempt to grief everyone

Sigh... I told you I was joking but you took me for serious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because if you read my post on the play nice policy you would understand why some people are saying "no"

[Abacabb]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just keep thinking you aren't held accountable. You've already been banned at least 3 times I can think of you jackass. I'll be happy to add 4 to the list if you pull this garbage, along with anyone with you that chooses to follow your childish antics.

I've got a list of 22 people that want to do this, and you're going to ban them because we're going to try and make a legit attempt at downing a raid encounter?

Are we training? KSing? No. We're just not going to adhere to made up timers that only exist to satiate the greed of the top two contending guilds. If you want to ban people for raiding EXACTLY how live was, that's your beef bro.

We're going to have the force, we're going to show up, we're going to give two fucks what IB/DA says because the rules only exist for them because they benefit them and not the smaller guilds or the solitary players.

and to anyone that actually thinks this is just "Oh no Abacab is just trying to cause more R&F drama for his amusement" you're ignorant. I've talked to many people in mumbles about it, many people in game about it for sometime now and we do consider this a legit claim.

[Aeolwind]

Originally Posted by Abacabb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've got a list of 22 people that want to do this, and you're going to ban them because we're going to try and make a legit attempt at downing a raid encounter?

Are we training? KSing? No. We're just not going to adhere to made up timers that only exist to satiate the greed of the top two contending guilds. If you want to ban people for raiding EXACTLY how live was, that's your beef bro.

We're going to have the force, we're going to show up, we're going to give two fucks what IB/DA says because the rules only exist for them because they benefit them and not the smaller guilds or the solitary players.

and to anyone that actually thinks this is just "Oh no Abacab is just trying to cause more R&F drama for his amusement" you're ignorant. I've talked to many people in mumbles about it, many people in game about it for sometime now and we do consider this a legit claim.

Where you stated this

but we are not held accountable on all these calls and time limits... If we are there for the encounter, we're going for it.

You are held accountable to these calls & time limits. If you can't buck up and get it done, then get out of the way. I got my start in pick raids & planes so I know what you're aiming for. But pick up raids are held to the same rules as any other raid.

[Nocte]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just keep thinking you aren't held accountable. You've already been banned at least 3 times I can think of you jackass. I'll be happy to add 4 to the list if you pull this garbage, along with anyone with you that chooses to follow your childish antics.

So you banned him 3 times already, and he keeps returning, and now you need a reason to ban him the 4th time?

I don't understand why you'd hesitate to delete any character he plays on the second you confirm that he's playing on the server.

[Gorgetrapper]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not quite true.



Not that I don't applaud your efforts... I do. In fact, hell, good luck on the encounter! We almost lost it last time.

I'm just making sure that you are aware of the rules [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Umm, I read the server rules, and I don't find that information located there. However, (comma) I find that in the GUILD RAIDING RULES, which a PUG is not bound by.

Nice try though.

[Tudana]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not quite true.



Not that I don't applaud your efforts... I do. In fact, hell, good luck on the encounter! We almost lost it last time.

I'm just making sure that you are aware of the rules [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think he means those rules were set by Guild GMs and officers...PUGs dont have those kind of diplomats. So there for, the Rules set forth by the Guild meetings do not apply to a PUG.

PUGS are rebels without a cause. Bound by no rules set by a Guild summit

Good luck Abacab, I wished I could join you on this (I am only 43)