Camping Raid Mobs... gone on long enough ?!

[Taxi]

The problem here is the boxing. The camping rules favor those who box but "dont box" officially. My roomate is my bro here and we got a router and i got an extra box sitting around for backups doing nothing. I could just ask for an exemption and theres no way you could tell that it was me manning the 2 computers. I could even get my bro to move the other comp at the same time once in a while so it appears legit.

To me the problem is 2 boxing. Remove IP exemptions and i would bet 50 bucks that all this camping will go down drastically. Try it for a week and see what happens. Maybe people will stick to their highest camping toon just to keep face for a week, but extend it for a month and see. Or try to see which people who have exemptions are camping mobs for 8-20hours.

I would say either remove exemptions, or remove the first come first served camping rules. Its not realistic to remove exemptions because im sure theres a couple of real hubby/wife/bros out there, so camps should be FFA. I mean really... why stop with those camping rules, create multiple instances of Nagafen's lair.

[Pyrocat]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

y it for a week and see what happens. Maybe people will stick to their highest camping toon just to keep face for a week, but extend it for a month and see. Or try to see which people who have exemptions are camping mobs for 8-20hours.

Let me let you in on a little secret. People AFK camp raid mobs. They go and watch movies, socialize, play other games, and generally not play Everquest while they camp raid mobs. They aren't 2boxing and sitting with another computer selling shit in EC or leveling alts, at least, no one from my guild is that I'm aware of. The trick is being able to get back to your computer as soon as the mob spawns so you can respond to a roll call or buff up and kill the mob before the timer is up and the competition moves in.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Pyrocat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me let you in on a little secret. People AFK camp raid mobs. They go and watch movies, socialize, play other games, and generally not play Everquest while they camp raid mobs. They aren't 2boxing and sitting with another computer selling shit in EC or leveling alts, at least, no one from my guild is that I'm aware of. The trick is being able to get back to your computer as soon as the mob spawns so you can respond to a roll call or buff up and kill the mob before the timer is up and the competition moves in.

That still leaves the part where a guild with alot of people can put the best mobs on perma-lockdown. With the numbers of players on the server going up, i dont think the problem is going away.

I would still be curious to know the percentage of people doing raid camps with IP exemptions.

[nicemace]

i think you will find there is a lot less boxers than you believe.

when i camp, i just play poker.

i generally play poker for anywhere between 8 and 16 hours a day anyway, so I just camp on the side [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gota earn a living somehow.

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by Pyrocat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me let you in on a little secret. People AFK camp raid mobs. They go and watch movies, socialize, play other games, and generally not play Everquest while they camp raid mobs. They aren't 2boxing and sitting with another computer selling shit in EC or leveling alts, at least, no one from my guild is that I'm aware of. The trick is being able to get back to your computer as soon as the mob spawns so you can respond to a roll call or buff up and kill the mob before the timer is up and the competition moves in.

Exactly. That nail on the head thing, Pyro hit it.

You get very, very good at playing starcraft 2 beta, or single player diablo. League of Legends is fun... Lots of cool single player games to play.

In the last month i've been hammering at d2 single player and Civ 4. Fun stuff.

[Loke]

Umm, we don't box. Our entire guild just happens to be roommates!

Seriously though - I just do homework or something while we camp mobs. I can do whatever as long as I'm back at my computer within a few minutes. It's not like I'm actively at my PC basking in the beautiful scenery that is PoFear.

The only people here that I think can bitch about camping are IB or DA, since we're the only ones it really affects. Even if camping wasn't occuring, IB or DA would still get 95% of the mobs - so then non-IB/DA people would just bitch about whatever tactic was being used then. Basically if you're not in IB or DA, you're not getting mobs, camping or no camping. You're basically all cranky because you're not willing to put in the effort that we are and want to be rewarded anyway.

[smokiing]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Umm, we don't box. Our entire guild just happens to be roommates!

Seriously though - I just do homework or something while we camp mobs. I can do whatever as long as I'm back at my computer within a few minutes. It's not like I'm actively at my PC basking in the beautiful scenery that is PoFear.

The only people here that I think can bitch about camping are IB or DA, since we're the only ones it really affects. Even if camping wasn't occuring, IB or DA would still get 95% of the mobs - so then non-IB/DA people would just bitch about whatever tactic was being used then. Basically if you're not in IB or DA, you're not getting mobs, camping or no camping. You're basically all cranky because you're not willing to put in the effort that we are and want to be rewarded anyway.

I love how you lvl 50s actually think youre doing any efforts.

You admit to having nothing else worthwhile to use your time on then sitting afk camping a raid boss. With only 4 bosses with 3-7 days respawn, I understand why people sink this low.

Sadly that has nothing to do with your efforts, its just exteremly poor game design, forcing people to ruin the game for everyone else.

Why do people even play a game where you have to sit afk for hours and do homework instead?

[Loke]

Originally Posted by smokiing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love how you lvl 50s actually think youre doing any efforts.

You admit to having nothing else worthwhile to use your time on then sitting afk camping a raid boss. With only 4 bosses with 3-7 days respawn, I understand why people sink this low.

Sadly that has nothing to do with your efforts, its just exteremly poor game design, forcing people to ruin the game for everyone else.

Why do people even play a game where you have to sit afk for hours and do homework instead?

1) We are exerting effort. Regardless of how you feel about it, it does take a certain degree of effort to track, camp, and kill the mobs on this server. It is an effort that we in IB and DA are willing to exert, and the rest of the server is not. It doesn't take any large amount of skill or intelligence, but it IS an effort.

2) I love how random people like you make these wild assumptions about people you don't know. You make it sound like every L50 on this server is some sad pathetic power gamer.

3) you talk about how we are "ruining the game for everyone else" as if it is our duty to ensure that you have a good time on P99. I highly doubt you logged on this morning thinking "man, I'm going to go out of my way to make sure Loke enjoys himself today." Just as my enjoyment isn't your primary concern.. your's isn't mine either.

Basically this thread is just a bunch of people complaining about how they aren't being spoon fed the game, and instead have to compete with players who put in more time and effort. If you want a fair chance at every encounter - go check out instances in WoW.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) We are exerting effort. Regardless of how you feel about it, it does take a certain degree of effort to track, camp, and kill the mobs on this server. It is an effort that we in IB and DA are willing to exert, and the rest of the server is not.

Ahem... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just cause we don't 24/7 camp or track our raid mobs to kill them doesn't mean we don't count.

[Mady]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) We are exerting effort. Regardless of how you feel about it, it does take a certain degree of effort to track, camp, and kill the mobs on this server. It is an effort that we in IB and DA are willing to exert, and the rest of the server is not. It doesn't take any large amount of skill or intelligence, but it IS an effort.

2) I love how random people like you make these wild assumptions about people you don't know. You make it sound like every L50 on this server is some sad pathetic power gamer.

3) you talk about how we are "ruining the game for everyone else" as if it is our duty to ensure that you have a good time on P99. I highly doubt you logged on this morning thinking "man, I'm going to go out of my way to make sure Loke enjoys himself today." Just as my enjoyment isn't your primary concern.. your's isn't mine either.

Basically this thread is just a bunch of people complaining about how they aren't being spoon fed the game, and instead have to compete with players who put in more time and effort. If you want a fair chance at every encounter - go check out instances in WoW.

This is just exactly like reading the live veterans lounge in one of the raider/ non-raider threads.