ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Slave]

Oberyn Martell poisoned Tywin Lannister when he met him for a snack in his solar. Around this time, he tells Tyrion, "everyone dies, the old man won't be around forever," or something to that effect. Tywin's corpse was stinking and he was shitting his guts out just before he died, the effects of which are tied to a certain poison.

At some point, the Brotherhood Without Banners pays a dwarf witch with Tom's song for her visions. She sees A TON OF STUFF, including a Faceless Man meeting Balon on the rope bridge between towers. This vision sequence, along with Dany's in the House of the Undying, forms the basis for a lot of the conclusions that have been drawn on the series.

Varys is either a Targaryen or a wizard or both, I am absolutely convinced. His strange powers of information and disguise, his actual prior experience with sorcery, which left him radically changed - physically, intellectually, and emotionally. The strange gleam in his eye and his un-Varys like directness in the telling of the story to Tyrion... these are the kinds of things that add up in GRRM's world.

We know that Varys came from the East, another possible indicator of his Targaryen heritage. "Beware of the eunuch. He knows things that he should not." -Ned

Illyrio actually calls him a magician under the Red Keep near the dragon bones when Arya overhears them.

Anyway, nothing else that Varys has revealed has convinced me that it would cause him to support the Targaryens. The other story that he wove for Tyrion, that he found his place in the world at court, etc, it doesn't ring true whatsoever, does it? The real take-away from Varys is that he was gelded in an arcane ceremony that he undoubtedly remembers extremely vividly. "I will never forget that voice..." I think it's a very easy intuitive leap from there, to wizard.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oberyn Martell poisoned Tywin Lannister when he met him for a snack in his solar. Around this time, he tells Tyrion, "everyone dies, the old man won't be around forever," or something to that effect. Tywin's corpse was stinking and he was shitting his guts out just before he died, the effects of which are tied to a certain poison.

it surely fits, but its something i must have overlooked. it sure has my attention now though.

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At some point, the Brotherhood Without Banners pays a dwarf witch with Tom's song for her visions. She sees A TON OF STUFF, including a Faceless Man meeting Balon on the rope bridge between towers. This vision sequence, along with Dany's in the House of the Undying, forms the basis for a lot of the conclusions that have been drawn on the series.

do you recall what book these dorf witch's visions are from? i fear drunk reading has cost me valuable information.

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Varys is either a Targaryen or a wizard or both, I am absolutely convinced. His strange powers of information and disguise, his actual prior experience with sorcery, which left him radically changed - physically, intellectually, and emotionally. The strange gleam in his eye and his un-Varys like directness in the telling of the story to Tyrion... these are the kinds of things that add up in GRRM's world.

We know that Varys came from the East, another possible indicator of his Targaryen heritage. "Beware of the eunuch. He knows things that he should not." -Ned

Illyrio actually calls him a magician under the Red Keep near the dragon bones when Arya overhears them.

Anyway, nothing else that Varys has revealed has convinced me that it would cause him to support the Targaryens. The other story that he wove for Tyrion, that he found his place in the world at court, etc, it doesn't ring true whatsoever, does it? The real take-away from Varys is that he was gelded in an arcane ceremony that he undoubtedly remembers extremely vividly. "I will never forget that voice..." I think it's a very easy intuitive leap from there, to wizard.

i will say, you sir have impressed me more so than any one else when it comes to possible theories on Varys. way to notice and remember things that dont seem important at the time.

[Slave]

I am pretty sure both vision sequences are in A Clash of Kings.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i will say, you sir have impressed me more so than any one else when it comes to possible theories on Varys. way to notice and remember things that dont seem important at the time.

As the master of information and a seeker of arcane knowledge, Varys undoubtedly knows the connection between dragons and magic. I think that his is a game to put Dany on top, so that he will have unlimited power vis a vis dragon magic, forever.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am pretty sure both vision sequences are in A Clash of Kings.



As the master of information and a seeker of arcane knowledge, Varys undoubtedly knows the connection between dragons and magic. I think that his is a game to put Dany on top, so that he will have unlimited power vis a vis dragon magic, forever.

and i know you could argue Varys knows what he knows because of his little birds. but if i recall, he was one of (if not) the first person in westeros to know (or sense/feel) that the dragons have returned. and thats only relevant because we know that dragons = magic, and while he wouldnt sense the dragons, he would be able to feel the magic returning to the world and put two and two together.

i dont know if i mentioned this earlier or not, but just in case i did not, we have some info from GRRM's website about book 6. we now KNOW Ramsay's letter to Jon was bullshit, because we know that Stannis is alive now. which means we dont know if he has Mance or not. he could have skinned a woman until she spilled the beans about Mance. we also KNOW that Theon and Jeyne Poole made it to Stannis, and that Stannis has sent Jeyne to the wall as a gift to Jon (Stannis thinks Jeyne is Arya) for telling him to get the northern tribes before walking into the karstark/bolton trap. However, in Jons current situation, he will be hard for him to say thats not the real Arya.

we also know that book 6 is going to start off with two big battles. one has to be for Mereen as that was left unanswered with too many powerhouse characters in the area. but then the second battle has absolutely got to be Stannis and company versus Winterfell and the Boltons. i feel the Manderlys will also join Stannis, but theres nothing on GRRMs site about it.

also i think the tv show, season 3, will end with the red wedding. its really the only decent stopping point near the middle of book3, and if they stick to their guns about splitting the book into two seasons, well i just dont see another place to end the season while keeping people happy/immersed.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we also know that book 6 is going to start off with two big battles. one has to be for Mereen as that was left unanswered with too many powerhouse characters in the area. but then the second battle has absolutely got to be Stannis and company versus Winterfell and the Boltons. i feel the Manderlys will also join Stannis, but theres nothing on GRRMs site about it.

also i think the tv show, season 3, will end with the red wedding. its really the only decent stopping point near the middle of book3, and if they stick to their guns about splitting the book into two seasons, well i just dont see another place to end the season while keeping people happy/immersed.

Stannis will make a positively awesome 1000th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch for the Battle of the Dawn, don't you think?

I think you might be right about Season 3... won't that be amazing!!

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stannis will make a positively awesome 1000th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch for the Battle of the Dawn, don't you think?

100% think the same thing

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stannis will make a positively awesome 1000th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch for the Battle of the Dawn, don't you think?

I think you might be right about Season 3... won't that be amazing!!

i remember in season 1, when Ned died. soooo many dumb kids ran to the HBO forums to complain that HBO writers were dumb as shit for killing ned. they had no idea the show was based on a book, and that it actually was following script.

that being said, the exact same people are absolutely going to lose their shit when they see what Robb and Catelyn are about to get into.