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[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RnF clearly has a legitimate place, if for no other reason that to serve as a collection bucket for otherwise inappropriate threads.

I have not once stated that RnF should not exist. I stated that I find many RnF participants to be unnecessarily confrontational and hostile in a way that does not serve any sense of resolution or construction.

Statements like this tell me that you're missing the point. I'm not trying make some kind of statement that needs a factual inquiry. How is your beloved evidentiary standard even relevant here? I am explaining that I believe a problem exists. I then am explaining why I feel it is a problem and why I feel the problem is made worse by certain attitudes. I am explaining a belief. You want some kind of evidence of how I feel? Would you like for me to write down my feelings and post a picture? How about some interpretive dance or maybe macaroni art?

What you seem to not understand, or at least you refuse to acknowledge, is that your attitudes and actions carry ramifications beyond your own personal environment. The only thing negative about RnF is when people bludgeon others with no hope of a productive outcome. Conflict and resentment occur, but efforts should be taken to defuse them.

Promoting resentment only displays an immaturity of the highest order.



Would you like for me to write down my feelings and post a picture? How about some interpretive dance or maybe macaroni art?
Promoting resentment only displays an immaturity of the highest order.
(You mean like this) ?

There is always hope of a productive outcome. It may not happen but it occasionally does.

Evidence is always required. If you believe something for no other reason than "to believe" your claim holds no merit.

Many in RnF believe TMO is an evil organization of RMT'ers and KS'ers without merit. They believe it to be true so they act on this. This is why belief is the true villian of RnF.
Belief without evidence is real immaturity. Only a child believes what they can substantiate. If a mother told her little child that the english word for a banana was "Apple" the child would believe it. An adult would back that up with evidence.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is always hope of a productive outcome. It may not happen but it occasionally does.

Evidence is always required. If you believe something for no other reason than "to believe" your claim holds no merit.

Many in RnF believe TMO is an evil organization of RMT'ers and KS'ers without merit. They believe it to be true so they act on this. This is why belief is the true villian of RnF.
Belief without evidence is real immaturity. Only a child believes what they can substantiate. If a mother told her little child that the english word for a banana was "Apple" the child would believe it. An adult would back that up with evidence.

I used the examples I did, (macaroni art, et al.) because they were absurd, not because I'm trying to be hostile or unproductive. I'm sorry to disappoint, but there's no dark side there. My point was this: I stated a belief and explained why I held that belief. I knew the evidentiary inquisition was going to pop its head, so I cut it off by asking what I could provide to further substantiate my argument. Absurd examples were simply to illustrate that.

My point was, and still is, that hostile attitudes in RnF resolve nothing and add to the server's problems and that their natural occurrence is not license to fan the flames. If you truly needed evidence that individual actions can color how other people see our guild then you need look no further than several pages back. (I believe hatelore was one of several posted who expressed a lesser respect for TMO but for several individual posters).

And finally, in our society and in formal debate we accept that some issues are within the sphere of common knowledge/sense. I suspect that my point (actions of the individual can harm the whole) falls easily within the common domain. If you needed me to spell it out further, I'm not really sure how to do it.

Though I do have some extra macaroni lying around.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I used the examples I did, (macaroni art, et al.) because they were absurd, not because I'm trying to be hostile or unproductive. I'm sorry to disappoint, but there's no dark side there. My point was this: I stated a belief and explained why I held that belief. I knew the evidentiary inquisition was going to pop its head, so I cut it off by asking what I could provide to further substantiate my argument. Absurd examples were simply to illustrate that.

My point was, and still is, that hostile attitudes in RnF resolve nothing and add to the server's problems and that their natural occurrence is not license to fan the flames. If you truly needed evidence that individual actions can color how other people see our guild then you need look no further than several pages back. (I believe hatelore was one of several posted who expressed a lesser respect for TMO but for several individual posters).

And finally, in our society and in formal debate we accept that some issues are within the sphere of common knowledge/sense. I suspect that my point (actions of the individual can harm the whole) falls easily within the common domain. If you needed me to spell it out further, I'm not really sure how to do it.

Though I do have some extra macaroni lying around.

I used absurd examples also, and often, how does this differ? Because you did it?

If you are using hatelores as an example you are proving my point, The guy is an object of faith he believes Obama is actively trying to destory this country. Hatelores sent me hate pm's and within a week was telling me how I was intelligent and he doesnt take RnF seriously, and then within 1 more week he was flipping out again. Please add someone who is rational and stable to your theory. Also, in his quest to discredit me he could be adding in that statement to harm me in some way. Its expected response theory in reverse.

Actions of an individual can harm the whole obviously. However, your point was not this. your point was that RnF warriors will harm TMO. That requires evidence to prove. Actions harming a whole is not a blanket statement.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I used absurd examples also, and often, how does this differ? Because you did it?

I never claimed that absurd example have no place. That, would be putting words in my mouth. We both use adjectives, nouns, and the word "the" a lot. Are we going to start parsing those too?

Please add someone who is rational and stable to your theory.

I have no need to do so. I am confident that my points stand clearly and soundly just as they are. I stand by my assertions that many RnF participants are harmful to both their own guild's reputation and to the server's health. I submit that all proper and necessary burdens of evidence and persuasion have been met to properly make my point.

And finally, I submit that the following statement is self evident and particularly relevant to this thread.

The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never claimed that absurd example have no place. That, would be putting words in my mouth. We both use adjectives, nouns, and the word "the" a lot. Are we going to start parsing those too?

I have no need to do so. I am confident that my points stand clearly and soundly just as they are. I stand by my assertions that many RnF participants are harmful to both their own guild's reputation and to the server's health. I submit that all proper and necessary burdens of evidence and persuasion have been met to properly make my point.

And finally, I submit that the following statement is self evident and particularly relevant to this thread.

The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.

Then you have no claim. Unless you are the arbiter of what claims have a place and when.

Ok have faith in your claim. I can't stop the faithful.

[Eccezan]

Q: What classifies a mob as "Engaged"?
A: A mob is classified as engaged as long as you are running at him.

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[Eccezan]

I would like to submit the following fraps of the last CT clearly showing Hurley & Scorchin engaging CT:

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Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I used the examples I did, (macaroni art, et al.) because they were absurd, not because I'm trying to be hostile or unproductive. I'm sorry to disappoint, but there's no dark side there. My point was this: I stated a belief and explained why I held that belief. I knew the evidentiary inquisition was going to pop its head, so I cut it off by asking what I could provide to further substantiate my argument. Absurd examples were simply to illustrate that.

My point was, and still is, that hostile attitudes in RnF resolve nothing and add to the server's problems and that their natural occurrence is not license to fan the flames. If you truly needed evidence that individual actions can color how other people see our guild then you need look no further than several pages back. (I believe hatelore was one of several posted who expressed a lesser respect for TMO but for several individual posters).

And finally, in our society and in formal debate we accept that some issues are within the sphere of common knowledge/sense. I suspect that my point (actions of the individual can harm the whole) falls easily within the common domain. If you needed me to spell it out further, I'm not really sure how to do it.

Though I do have some extra macaroni lying around.

Don't deny it, embrace the darkside!

[Eccezan]

this thread got really fucking boring.