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[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one's saying that everyone here is stupid. Do not presume to put words into his mouth.

The point Elethia and I share is, and always has been,that RnF activity is a negative externality upon the server. In lay terms, every instance of thoughtless and trollesque activity has the potential to foment resentment and conflict, while simultaneously possessing no redemptive qualities whatsoever.

Again, we find it telling how quickly the most vociferous and active RnF participants move to defend their activities as harmless.

Even if RnF is ultimately harmless, the Ring of Gyges has yet again been donned, and Plato's fears proven well founded.

Point 1: TO both you and ELE vice versa, Ele even persumes to put thought processes in my head.

Point 2: Every instance of competition foments resentment and conflict too. It is the nature of the game.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Point 2: Every instance of competition foments resentment and conflict too. It is the nature of the game.

An undesirable event occurring naturally is not license to artificially exacerbate it. That is nothing more than justification of an otherwise indefensible practice.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An undesirable event occurring naturally is not license to artificially exacerbate it. That is nothing more than justification of an otherwise indefensible practice.

What is indefensible? This is competitive raiding. Undesirable to who?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is indefensible? This is competitive raiding. Undesirable to who?

The context of this discussion is whether or not a trollish or conflict-oriented attitude in RnF is detrimental to the health of the server.

You stated that conflict occurs naturally as part of the game. This seems to be you justifying a negative RnF as acceptable because people are already experiencing resentment.

Adding fuel to an undesirable fire is indefensible. It's nothing more than opportunistic bullying and playground insults. It does nothing productive, and it actively harms the organizations you're associated with.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The context of this discussion is whether or not a trollish or conflict-oriented attitude in RnF is detrimental to the health of the server.

You stated that conflict occurs naturally as part of the game. This seems to be you justifying a negative RnF as acceptable because people are already experiencing resentment.

Adding fuel to an undesirable fire is indefensible. It's nothing more than opportunistic bullying and playground insults. It does nothing productive, and it actively harms the organizations you're associated with.

RnF is a vent for that fire. If you notice I have created 1 RnF thread ever and it wasnt against a guild or organization. If people weren't using RnF for this reason I wouldn't even be posting here. I only respond to false claims or outright lies. RnF exists because Competitive Raiding exists. I have no problem with people venting in RnF, its healthy, but if they lie or don't cover the whole story I will respond.

I would like you to support your final claims with evidence other than opinion.
The way I see it if you let a lie stand people will tend to believe those lies the more they are repeated. Likely, some will believe it anyways but there are a few that are capable of objectivity.
Many people also want to believe information without evidence because it supports their ideology or belief structure. See the tea party, religion, politics, etc etc etc.
These people will never be affected by RnF as their opinions are already formed.
For those with fresh opinions (do any exist on this server still) would be wise to use their own evidence as proof instead of RnF sniping.

I could honestly care less if someone who is incapable of formulating their own opinions hates me because I am "mean". I don't curse at people or demean races, or classes of people. Just liars, shady tactics, and cheaters.

The only thing negative about RnF is dishonesty, deception, and belief.

[Frieza_Prexus]

RnF clearly has a legitimate place, if for no other reason that to serve as a collection bucket for otherwise inappropriate threads.

I have not once stated that RnF should not exist. I stated that I find many RnF participants to be unnecessarily confrontational and hostile in a way that does not serve any sense of resolution or construction.

Originally Posted by Alarti

I would like you to support your final claims with evidence other than opinion.

Statements like this tell me that you're missing the point. I'm not trying make some kind of statement that needs a factual inquiry. How is your beloved evidentiary standard even relevant here? I am explaining that I believe a problem exists. I then am explaining why I feel it is a problem and why I feel the problem is made worse by certain attitudes. I am explaining a belief. You want some kind of evidence of how I feel? Would you like for me to write down my feelings and post a picture? How about some interpretive dance or maybe macaroni art?

I could honestly care less if someone who is incapable of formulating their own opinions hates me because I am "mean".

What you seem to not understand, or at least you refuse to acknowledge, is that your attitudes and actions carry ramifications beyond your own personal environment. The only thing negative about RnF is when people bludgeon others with no hope of a productive outcome. Conflict and resentment occur, but efforts should be taken to defuse them.

Promoting resentment only displays an immaturity of the highest order.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RnF clearly has a legitimate place, if for no other reason that to serve as a collection bucket for otherwise inappropriate threads.

I have not once stated that RnF should not exist. I stated that I find many RnF participants to be unnecessarily confrontational and hostile in a way that does not serve any sense of resolution or construction.



Statements like this tell me that you're missing the point. I'm not trying make some kind of statement that needs a factual inquiry. How is your beloved evidentiary standard even relevant here? I am explaining that I believe a problem exists. I then am explaining why I feel it is a problem and why I feel the problem is made worse by certain attitudes. I am explaining a belief. You want some kind of evidence of how I feel? Would you like for me to write down my feelings and post a picture? How about some interpretive dance or maybe macaroni art?



What you seem to not understand, or at least you refuse to acknowledge, is that your attitudes and actions carry ramifications beyond your own personal environment. The only thing negative about RnF is when people bludgeon others with no hope of a productive outcome. Conflict and resentment occur, but efforts should be taken to defuse them.

Promoting resentment only displays an immaturity of the highest order.

Someone is succumbing to the dark side.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RnF clearly has a legitimate place, if for no other reason that to serve as a collection bucket for otherwise inappropriate threads.

I have not once stated that RnF should not exist. I stated that I find many RnF participants to be unnecessarily confrontational and hostile in a way that does not serve any sense of resolution or construction.

Statements like this tell me that you're missing the point. I'm not trying make some kind of statement that needs a factual inquiry. How is your beloved evidentiary standard even relevant here? I am explaining that I believe a problem exists. I then am explaining why I feel it is a problem and why I feel the problem is made worse by certain attitudes. I am explaining a belief. You want some kind of evidence of how I feel? Would you like for me to write down my feelings and post a picture? How about some interpretive dance or maybe macaroni art?

What you seem to not understand, or at least you refuse to acknowledge, is that your attitudes and actions carry ramifications beyond your own personal environment. The only thing negative about RnF is when people bludgeon others with no hope of a productive outcome. Conflict and resentment occur, but efforts should be taken to defuse them.

Promoting resentment only displays an immaturity of the highest order.



Would you like for me to write down my feelings and post a picture? How about some interpretive dance or maybe macaroni art?
Promoting resentment only displays an immaturity of the highest order.
(You mean like this) ?

There is always hope of a productive outcome. It may not happen but it occasionally does.

Evidence is always required. If you believe something for no other reason than "to believe" your claim holds no merit.

Many in RnF believe TMO is an evil organization of RMT'ers and KS'ers without merit. They believe it to be true so they act on this. This is why belief is the true villian of RnF.
Belief without evidence is real immaturity. Only a child believes what they can substantiate. If a mother told her little child that the english word for a banana was "Apple" the child would believe it. An adult would back that up with evidence.

[hatelore]

Lets get a magnifying glass and look at what you really posted here Alarti, judging from your responses and posts on the rnf forum.

/magnifying glass

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RnF is a vent for that fire. If you notice I have created 1 RnF thread ever and it wasnt against a guild or organization. If people weren't using RnF for this reason I wouldn't even be posting here. I only respond to false claims or outright lies.

Judging from the magnifying glass, this means: I post here to protect my guild name , even if what I say is wrong,incriminates me or my guild, or is an outright lie.


RnF exists because Competitive Raiding exists. I have no problem with people venting in RnF, its healthy, but if they lie or don't cover the whole story I will respond.
I would like you to support your final claims with evidence other than opinion.

Judging from the magnifying glass, this means: I say this in every single thread, usually for no other reason then to thwart an attack away from me. Even when evidence is presented, I will just bullshit and crawfish my way out of it.

The way I see it if you let a lie stand people will tend to believe those lies the more they are repeated. Likely, some will believe it anyways but there are a few that are capable of objectivity.
Judging from the magnifying glass, this means: This is where i am really full of shit at, usually most of all in every single thread. What I really mean to say is, if I bend a lie enough and work and twist that fucking lie until it is like a pretzel, maybe enough sheep will believe it. Which makes me profoundly happy inside.

Many people also want to believe information without evidence because it supports their ideology or belief structure. See the tea party, religion, politics, etc etc etc.
Judging from the magnifying glass, this means: I like to say this, just to show my joy that my beloved dear leader will continue to destroy my country, and I will turn a blind eye, Maybe because I am dumb, or maybe because I was raised wrong , who knows?
[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Naww just kidding, that just sounded fun in my head, He probably seriously believes, somehow , that barack is doing a good job.[/COLOR]


These people will never be affected by RnF as their opinions are already formed.
For those with fresh opinions (do any exist on this server still) would be wise to use their own evidence as proof instead of RnF sniping.
I could honestly care less if someone who is incapable of formulating their own opinions hates me because I am "mean". I don't curse at people or demean races, or classes of people. Just liars, shady tactics, and cheaters.
The only thing negative about RnF is dishonesty, deception, and belief.

So In a nutshell, what we have here is nothing more then a heaping pile of steaming dog shit, all wrapped up in a Alarti bun..

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lets get a magnifying glass and look at what you really posted here Alarti, judging from your responses and posts on the rnf forum.

/magnifying glass



So In a nutshell, what we have here is nothing more then a heaping pile of steaming dog shit, all wrapped up in a Alarti bun..

Case in point~