And I raaaaaan, I raaaan so far awaaaayyyy

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not everyone likes spending their weekends being griefed or griefing in retaliation. Some people want to play to have fun in the PvE world and not deal with other people's entitlement issues.

Red99 is wide open.

If guilds didn't have GMs to go running back to for every little problem, shit would get worked out like it did for VP.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If guilds didn't have GMs to go running back to for every little problem, shit would get worked out like it did for VP.

Exactly Players are the best police. Empower the players not some "force for good" who might be there one raid and not for the next 15, which forces us to compile evidence and go to trial court to play a game.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly Players are the best police. Empower the players not some "force for good" who might be there one raid and not for the next 15, which forces us to compile evidence and go to trial court to play a game.

What exactly is preventing those same players from policing themselves at this very moment? The server having GMs and a rule set?

Each person in this thread could look beyond the rules that are in effect and reach out to each other and form a new code on top of the server rules, but it seems far too many enjoy the RnF drama to achieve anything without a babysitter.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What exactly is preventing those same players from policing themselves at this very moment? The server having GMs and a rule set?

Each person in this thread could look beyond the rules that are in effect and reach out to each other and form a new code on top of the server rules, but it seems far too many enjoy the RnF drama to achieve anything without a babysitter.

Basically, as long as GMs enable guilds to look to them to solve their problems, people will look to the "higher power" to solve their problems.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically, as long as GMs enable guilds to look to them to solve their problems, people will look to the "higher power" to solve their problems.

They look to GMs because no real attempt at a player made code of raid conduct can ever get off the ground due to RnF and trolls invading the conversation.

It is almost as if certain players want organized chaos, as long as it is in their favor.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They look to GMs because no real attempt at a player made code of raid conduct can ever get off the ground due to RnF and trolls invading the conversation.

It is almost as if certain players want organized chaos, as long as it is in their favor.

Saying RnF and trolls have somehow prevented guilds from cooperating is asinine and beneath you.

No guilds can come together because every guild wants to much for their share of the pie. Guild will play by the rules until someone gets upset and one guy decided to play by "server rules" for the betterment of the guild.

When a "higher power" is around people can always claim just playin by server rules. Without them the guilds need to enforce the rules. Members who break truces become liabilities and they are booted from those guilds.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Saying RnF and trolls have somehow prevented guilds from cooperating is asinine and beneath you.

No guilds can come together because every guild wants to much for their share of the pie. Guild will play by the rules until someone gets upset and one guy decided to play by "server rules" for the betterment of the guild.

When a "higher power" is around people can always claim just playin by server rules. Without them the guilds need to enforce the rules. Members who break truces become liabilities and they are booted from those guilds.

Hurts hearing the truth sometimes.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No guilds can come together because [b]TMO[b/] wants to much for their share of the pie. Guild will play by the rules until someone gets upset and one guy decided to play by "server rules" for the betterment of the guild.

FTFY Alarti. When IB left all the players who really wanted raid loot joined TMO. Our current system gives 100% of raid loot to the players who put in the time rather than those who have skill (yes, I am aware those traits are not mutually exclusive).

I'm not judging here, just saying thats the reality. The only guild standing in the way of a rotation is TMO (and maybe FE I suppose). You also happen to have all the RnF trolls :P

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically, as long as GMs enable guilds to look to them to solve their problems, people will look to the "higher power" to solve their problems.

This is just basic human nature.

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is just basic human nature.

Humans are not subservient in their natural state. That is a product of societal pressures valuing compliance and submission to authority.

It would be much more valid to say:

"This is just basic human nurture."