prop 37 in Cali

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by purist 4.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except being completely informed on every single purchasing decision is a full-time job. I know in your fantasy Libertard world, every person is willing to come home from work and do a 5 hour research project on every consumption decision they'll make. But some of us work for a living, and not smoke pot all day and plagiarize Milton Friedman articles on Everquest forums like you.

And I laid out an idea of how the free market could solve the problem using labeling, but you probably ignored that part due to inability to comprehend the sheer genius of it.

We live in the information age. The pro-government argument regarding difficulty of obtaining information is becoming more and more ludicrous. Get with the 21st century. In order to get the proposition passed, you needed half of California to agree. That's 20 million people, roughly. If it takes 100 man hours to determine if a single product is GMO, and you could only convince 5% of those who would vote on such a thing to put in a single hour of research, then you could correctly classify 10,000 products. Or we could pass a law that will probably cost tens of millions each year to implement and maintain. Do you not see the sheer absurdity of such a program?

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by purist 4.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep. Not like advertising and outright fraud make it close to impossible for consumers to choose products and services with perfect wisdom. Lying to consumers always works.

Fraud is illegal. Don't need new laws to stop it.

[Hasbinlulz]

Fucking patriots. Sigh.

[dredge]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I laid out an idea of how the free market could solve the problem using labeling, but you probably ignored that part due to inability to comprehend the sheer genius of it.

We live in the information age. The pro-government argument regarding difficulty of obtaining information is becoming more and more ludicrous. Get with the 21st century. In order to get the proposition passed, you needed half of California to agree. That's 20 million people, roughly. If it takes 100 man hours to determine if a single product is GMO, and you could only convince 5% of those who would vote on such a thing to put in a single hour of research, then you could correctly classify 10,000 products. Or we could pass a law that will probably cost tens of millions each year to implement and maintain. Do you not see the sheer absurdity of such a program?

they already have that and it's really expensive and hard to get certified because there inst a clear definition of what a gmo is on the books
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[Clark]

Glad I shop at Trader Joes, and follow the SCD Diet. Don't have to worry about getting unhealthy nutrition or food that has been tampered with/chemically changed. I feel bad for the mainstream folks who eat a lot of the crap the corporate markets produce.

[Reiker000]

Originally Posted by dredge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't look like prop 37 will pass in Cali. So confusing, why would anyone not vote to know what's in the food they're eating? Special interests and big corporations have you all so brainwashed it's pathetic. It's like: "I'm voting to keep the mystery meat a mystery, I don't want to know what I'm feeding my children" derp

Seriously, I would like to know how anyone could be against food labeling laws.
This prop was so important because if it passed in Cali in would have effected all of us in the states sooner then later.

Fuck, I'm disappointed in the human race.

I didn't read the thread, but the idea behind the proposition is OK but the proposition itself is fucking stupid. I would have voted no too.

[Reiker000]

Originally Posted by FormerlyAMonk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It means chemicals that were synthesized using natural products -- but still chemicals none the less.

everything is "chemicals" if you want to be pedantic.

[Reiker000]

Originally Posted by FormerlyAMonk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would you have voted no?

That makes absolutely no sense at all.

First of all, there's zero scientific proof that genetically modified food is harmful. I wouldn't want to have to pay based on someone's hunch. Do the scientific research and then come @ me. Also, GM food has largely contributed to fighting hunger and vitamin deficiencies in third world countries.

The biggest problem is that it puts all of the burden on retailers and none on the actual manufacturers. It's a fucking nightmare for retailers, especially small businesses. It doesn't even outline what exactly needs to be labeled, which means you pretty much need to label everything and then nothing really matters. The whole thing is very wishy washy, doesn't affect restaurants, does affect small businesses and large retailers benefit from a new burden on their smaller competition. The whole thing is just horribly written. Pay more $$$ because of the misinformed soccer mom whose afraid of big words? No thanks.

[doraf]

More useless state jobs are created anytime a new law is passed in this state. I'm all for jobs, but we don't need to spend money making sure people are aware of what they should be already and if they aren't, then they most likely don't care anyway. Example: If people didn't care about weighing 300 pounds and looking like fat greasy sloths, then they would stop ordering supersized meals at Mc Donald’s.

My family has a 55 acre organic orchard and ranch in Santa Barbara County. It's a freakin joke, a waste of money and time. Prop 37 was pushed by farmers who can not compete in the industry and never will with their miniature apples and pears. Know why our produce is organic? Because we care about the water it is sitting above more than the fruit on the trees or the grapes on the vines. Anyone who expects to get rich as an organic farmer is an idiot. The farming industry in California is way bigger than your little pea brain can imagine and fucking it over for a stupid label is a horrible idea.

[dredge]

The problem with scientific evidence is its hard to get these studies done when monsanto controls everything and bullies and threatens any scientist that disagrees with them.

The first study on rats that followed them for their whole life cycle showed like 85% cancer, increased aggression, infertility and severe allergies.