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[Orruar]

Originally Posted by dredge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ok so what your saying is don't ever let your children eat at a restaurant or the school cafeteria etc.... gmo's are in 90% of all the food in the market.

Labels and the resulting outrage are the only way Kelloggs is going to stop using gmo corn in their cornflakes, mcdonalds to stop feeding its cattle gmo corn, wonder bread stop using gmo flour....... etc.......etc.......

We shouldn't have to live in a bubble and grow our own food just so some bullshit chemical warfare company can continue to control our food supply

Under the theory of democracy, laws are only passed when a majority of people believe it is a good idea. If the majority of people dislike GMO foods, and they actually put their money where their mouth is, their collective action will have long ago changed the habits of the food producers. Use the profit motive to force companies to make the change. It's far more effective than trying to use the government. Laws are easily avoided. They can't put a gun to anyone's head and force them to buy their product. Seriously, quit being such a fucking sheep. 95% of Americans have been convinced that government is the only way to solve their problems. It's pathetic.

[dredge]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Under the theory of democracy, laws are only passed when a majority of people believe it is a good idea. If the majority of people dislike GMO foods, and they actually put their money where their mouth is, their collective action will have long ago changed the habits of the food producers. Use the profit motive to force companies to make the change. It's far more effective than trying to use the government. Laws are easily avoided. They can't put a gun to anyone's head and force them to buy their product. Seriously, quit being such a fucking sheep. 95% of Americans have been convinced that government is the only way to solve their problems. It's pathetic.

Your right I'm just being lazy.
I'm writing the 30 different products that are in my lunch now to see if their research and development divisions can shed some light on if fucking GMO poison is in any of it.

That's what everyone should do when they eat something they didn't grow from heirloom seed stock right?

This makes way more sense then wanting a law

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by dredge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your right I'm just being lazy.
I'm writing the 30 different products that are in my lunch now to see if their research and development divisions can shed some light on if fucking GMO poison is in any of it.

That's what everyone should do when they eat something they didn't grow from heirloom seed stock right?

This makes way more sense then wanting a law

You are posting on a message board on the internet. Certainly this means you have heard of something called Google. If GMO is such a huge problem, certainly there has been quite a lot written on the subject and obtaining the information you seek will not be difficult.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by FormerlyAMonk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This doesn't apply when "the masses" have become a giant herd of mindless sheep.

Most people don't even know what "GMO" stands for, or how common it is (ie in almost everything we eat.)

As I said before -- I just saw a Kellogs Cornflakes commercial the other night. The commercial told me, several times, that I should buy they products because they're "100% natural."

It's these very companies who've lobbied the very laws that allow them to use such misleading terms. Just like that bottle of whatever you're drinking that probably says "with natural flavors" all over it is anything BUT natural.

Hell almost nothing says "artifically flavored" on it anymore. The food companies essentially lobbied laws that allowed for them to replace "artificial flavors" with "natural flavors" (which refer, technically, to flavors ARTIFICALLY SYNTHESIZED, at least in part, by a natural product containing the flavor being emulated.) It's still totally artificial.

Right, but if people are all just a bunch of mindless sheep, how would democracy solve that? You still need to convince 50% of the population to support this. If they're all stupid and oblivious to GMO, then you fail to pass the law. And as you point out, even if a law is passed, it's likely that the companies being regulated will have their hands all over the regulations and craft them to their advantage.

Companies will respond long before 50% of their customers become upset with them for using GMO foods. If any significant portion of the population shifted their habits and only gave their money to companies that truly satisfied their needs, you'd see businesses shift their production methods. I think the problem the GMO people have at this point is that many people simply don't believe all the GMO hype, and so they won't shift their habits. So it is their job to try and change minds. They are apparently failing at doing that on their own, so they're hoping labeling laws will do the job for them. Even if labeling laws have some benefit to society, it's still wrong to use these laws as a scare tactic.