Fastest PL - Ench, Shaman or Monk? Friendly wager anyone?

[pasi]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We were mostly talking about higher levels in that thread. The rate he had claimed (90 min for half of 53 on a warrior) is the same rate I achieved before epics. I'd imagine it's better now, as I was clearing 2/3 of north wing HS while PL'ing a 59 warrior the other day. I've never witnessed enc PL, but it could theoretically be much better than anything else. You'd need a lot of high level mobs though, as I'm sure it would be tough for an enc to break charm and recharm about once per minute as I was doing in HS. Maybe not though, I don't play an enc often enough.

I'm pretty confident that shaman is best for 50+ though, and I'll gladly take this wager once I do a little more work on my technique. Haven't been in the business much since getting epic.

Theft of Thought alone would give enchanters enough mana to charm once a minute in a place like Howling Stones where most of the mobs are SKs. Breaking isn't a problem with a Gazughi.

But yeah, I agree monk is out-of-the-fucking question for 50+ power leveling.

With that said, I've only really power leveled 40+ in SolB and Highkeep. Howling Stones would be much better, but the 2 people I've powerleveled didn't have a HS key.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Theft of Thought alone would give enchanters enough mana to charm once a minute in a place like Howling Stones where most of the mobs are SKs. Breaking isn't a problem with a Gazughi.

But yeah, I agree monk is out-of-the-fucking question for 50+ power leveling.

With that said, I've only really power leveled 40+ in SolB and Highkeep. Howling Stones would be much better, but the 2 people I've powerleveled didn't have a HS key.

Yeah, but enc have other duties as well. Haste, rune occasionally, root?, calm? I'm not familiar enough with enc PL to know the exact technique. Perhaps with mem blur, they don't even need to break and recharm each mob. I certainly wouldn't put money against an enc without knowing how their PL works and actually witnessing it. And that's really the reason for posting in the EC threads. It wasn't because we were competing for business. I rarely PL anymore and always have plenty willing to pay for it. It just seems ignorant to claim to have the fastest PL on the server when you have no to limited experience with other classes' PL.

[pasi]

Yeah, c2 plus medding while charmed mobs kill each other covers the mana to root and pacify.

Basically just let 2 mobs kill each other (I only slow/haste if one is raping the other) - break charm when both are low, let the person kill. Repeat. Works a lot better with casters. I never tried with a melee.

But yeah, pretty dumb for a 60 enc/shm to powerlevel for cash since you can make a lot more money cherry picking spawns.

[KentalCowtipper]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, but enc have other duties as well. Haste, rune occasionally, root?, calm? I'm not familiar enough with enc PL to know the exact technique. Perhaps with mem blur, they don't even need to break and recharm each mob. I certainly wouldn't put money against an enc without knowing how their PL works and actually witnessing it. And that's really the reason for posting in the EC threads. It wasn't because we were competing for business. I rarely PL anymore and always have plenty willing to pay for it. It just seems ignorant to claim to have the fastest PL on the server when you have no to limited experience with other classes' PL.

Orruar I haven't PL'd much in the past month due to to RL being busy as hell but I used to quite frequently. Everyone I have PL'd has told me flat out that I provide the fastest PL they've ever had. I'm basing my claim on that. I'm not just talking about 1 or 2 random people telling me that - I'm talking a good 15-20 people or more. These are people who have purchased a PL from others in the past.

I agree 100% that an ench or a shaman can be a very effective powerleveler but
what you're discounting about me is that I'm definitely not you're normal run of the mill monk PL. There are no other melee classes on the solo artist challenge list. The reason for this is 3 fold:
A) Monks are OP compared to other melee.
B) I'm *arguably* the best geared monk on the server. I also happen to have some skill - maybe not the best on the server but I'm probably up there. 2nd in BoTB; loosing by 22hp to first place is a good argument for that (I'd like to compete against adrianna in a PL contest too but she's never on anymore. Plus I know with C below I'd get her - unless she found one to borrowed)
C) Pre-Nerf Fungi Staff. No other monk I know is triple stacking self regen. This is the actually the biggest factor of the 3 listed. 52 a tick with just under 1100 ac is huge when it comes to factoring a consistent kill rate. Add in the fact that I do fairly high DPS - 5-10% under our guild rogues consistently - and this makes for a very strong, very consistent powerlevel.

Not to mention you're not looking at the majority of classes being powerleveled. There is no real way that you can power level an ench, mage, necro, wiz, bard, cleric, shaman or druid faster than I can. Pet classes can't use their pets or they get crappy xp during the PL. So that leaves 6 out of 14 classes - War, Rog, Monk, Ranger, Paladin, SK - in which its arguable who can provide a faster PL.

Also with a good monk PLing they can attack down to 1 or 2% and then FD - providing constant DPS (I do around 90-95 dps without buffs or disc). For you to PL you have to do 49% or less dmg; the person being PLed has to do 51% or more. This means you are in essence capped at how fast you can powerlevel in relation to how fast the person you're PLing can kill - like you said a shaman PL is much more dependent on the person being power leveled. Therefore I would conceivable add a paladin and SK to the list of 8 classes I am 100% sure I can PL faster as their DPS is lower than other 4 melee.

I'm 100% sure I can PL 10/14 of the classes faster; the other 4/14 classes I am reasonably certain my PL would be faster. But I'm not 100% sure. Therefore I put this wager offer out there for anyone who wants to step up and see. I'd assume you'll choose one of the 30% of the classes that I'm not certain about.

It therefore seems ignorant to me that you would post on someone's EC thread that you're a faster PLer when it would only apply to 30% of the classes - and even then you're not even sure yourself if it would be faster for those 4 classes.

I await your wager and the challenge.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by KentalCowtipper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Orruar I haven't PL'd much in the past month due to to RL being busy as hell but I used to quite frequently. Everyone I have PL'd has told me flat out that I provide the fastest PL they've ever had. I'm basing my claim on that. I'm not just talking about 1 or 2 random people telling me that - I'm talking a good 15-20 people or more. These are people who have purchased a PL from others in the past.

I agree 100% that an ench or a shaman can be a very effective powerleveler but
what you're discounting about me is that I'm definitely not you're normal run of the mill monk PL. There are no other melee classes on the solo artist challenge list. The reason for this is 3 fold:
A) Monks are OP compared to other melee.
B) I'm *arguably* the best geared monk on the server. I also happen to have some skill - maybe not the best on the server but I'm probably up there. 2nd in BoTB; loosing by 22hp to first place is a good argument for that (I'd like to compete against adrianna in a PL contest too but she's never on anymore. Plus I know with C below I'd get her - unless she found one to borrowed)
C) Pre-Nerf Fungi Staff. No other monk I know is triple stacking self regen. This is the actually the biggest factor of the 3 listed. 52 a tick with just under 1100 ac is huge when it comes to factoring a consistent kill rate. Add in the fact that I do fairly high DPS - 5-10% under our guild rogues consistently - and this makes for a very strong, very consistent powerlevel.

Not to mention you're not looking at the majority of classes being powerleveled. There is no real way that you can power level an ench, mage, necro, wiz, bard, cleric, shaman or druid faster than I can. Pet classes can't use their pets or they get crappy xp during the PL. So that leaves 6 out of 14 classes - War, Rog, Monk, Ranger, Paladin, SK - in which its arguable who can provide a faster PL.

Also with a good monk PLing they can attack down to 1 or 2% and then FD - providing constant DPS (I do around 90-95 dps without buffs or disc). For you to PL you have to do 49% or less dmg; the person being PLed has to do 51% or more. This means you are in essence capped at how fast you can powerlevel in relation to how fast the person you're PLing can kill - like you said a shaman PL is much more dependent on the person being power leveled. Therefore I would conceivable add a paladin and SK to the list of 8 classes I am 100% sure I can PL faster as their DPS is lower than other 4 melee.

I'm 100% sure I can PL 10/14 of the classes faster; the other 4/14 classes I am reasonably certain my PL would be faster. But I'm not 100% sure. Therefore I put this wager offer out there for anyone who wants to step up and see. I'd assume you'll choose one of the 30% of the classes that I'm not certain about.

It therefore seems ignorant to me that you would post on someone's EC thread that you're a faster PLer when it would only apply to 30% of the classes - and even then you're not even sure yourself if it would be faster for those 4 classes.

I await your wager and the challenge.

I have no issue with monk kill speed, I have issues with them being able to sustain both their health and the health of a powerlevelee (in the case of a melee power-level). 52hp/tick is significant (plus mend and stonestance), but it's not chain-kill territory unless it's lower level mobs. Hence, why I said high-level power level is enchanter dominated.

And even if it is chain kill territory. Enchanters are killing two mobs at a time.

I know this isn't exactly scientific, but my most recent power-level bout, I was able to keep everything in Efreeti constantly dead while powerleveling (tash helps a lot for nuking down low mobs). This includes the side trap room.
Even with your regen and pumice (or a SoN), I don't think a monk has the sustainability to keep all that dead (again, not even factoring in keeping your partners hp up if need be). And that camp isn't even close to ideal for an enchanter.

As I said, I think monks may have a shot at being top dog for mid-level powerleveling. You sound like you know what you're doing, and I am considering using you for my warrior some time.

[KentalCowtipper]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no issue with monk kill speed, I have issues with them being able to sustain both their health and the health of a powerlevelee (in the case of a melee power-level). 52hp/tick is significant (plus mend and stonestance), but it's not chain-kill territory unless it's lower level mobs. Hence, why I said high-level power level is enchanter dominated.

And even if it is chain kill territory. Enchanters are killing two mobs at a time.

I know this isn't exactly scientific, but my most recent power-level bout, I was able to keep everything in Efreeti constantly dead while powerleveling (tash helps a lot for nuking down low mobs). This includes the side trap room.
Even with your regen and pumice (or a SoN), I don't think a monk has the sustainability to keep all that dead (again, not even factoring in keeping your partners hp up if need be). And that camp isn't even close to ideal for an enchanter.

As I said, I think monks may have a shot at being top dog for mid-level powerleveling. You sound like you know what you're doing, and I am considering using you for my warrior some time.

The key to sustanability is a 3 fold factor - the amount of hp regenerated, the damage being dealt to the mobs and the AC. Once you hit over 1050 ac and start triple stacking regen it mitigates much or all of the damage. For example in KC I don't need a healer at all. I can chain pull as many mobs as there are up. I've PL'd in there when its empty and clearing LCY, RCY and Dog capt (plus the 6 mob spawns ontw from LCY to Dog Capt) thats 35 mobs in a 28 min respawn time.

And why would the person being PL'd take any damage? When I'm doing almost as much damage as a rogue unless the person being PL'd is trying to strip agro from me there is no real way they're going to be taking dmg - unless we're fighting undead and they get in a hit or two once I flop at 1-2%.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no issue with monk kill speed, I have issues with them being able to sustain both their health and the health of a powerlevelee (in the case of a melee power-level). 52hp/tick is significant (plus mend and stonestance), but it's not chain-kill territory unless it's lower level mobs. Hence, why I said high-level power level is enchanter dominated.

And even if it is chain kill territory. Enchanters are killing two mobs at a time.

I know this isn't exactly scientific, but my most recent power-level bout, I was able to keep everything in Efreeti constantly dead while powerleveling (tash helps a lot for nuking down low mobs). This includes the side trap room.
Even with your regen and pumice (or a SoN), I don't think a monk has the sustainability to keep all that dead (again, not even factoring in keeping your partners hp up if need be). And that camp isn't even close to ideal for an enchanter.

As I said, I think monks may have a shot at being top dog for mid-level powerleveling. You sound like you know what you're doing, and I am considering using you for my warrior some time.

If enc can only do all of efreeti in one cycle, maybe they aren't near monk or shaman. Pre epic, I'd keep all of efreeti + all of bnb down with a low 50s monk or rogue.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If enc can only do all of efreeti in one cycle, maybe they aren't near monk or shaman. Pre epic, I'd keep all of efreeti + all of bnb down with a low 50s monk or rogue.

Hence, the non-ideal part. Howling Stones North Wing would be easier and more exp. I'm was just power-leveling a manastoned 42 cleric without a HS key so Efreeti was the best option available.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hence, the non-ideal part. Howling Stones North Wing would be easier and more exp. I'm was just power-leveling a manastoned 42 cleric without a HS key so Efreeti was the best option available.

At 42, stick to BNB and LDC. Efreeti mobs are really poor xp I've found.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by KentalCowtipper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Orruar I haven't PL'd much in the past month due to to RL being busy as hell but I used to quite frequently. Everyone I have PL'd has told me flat out that I provide the fastest PL they've ever had. I'm basing my claim on that. I'm not just talking about 1 or 2 random people telling me that - I'm talking a good 15-20 people or more. These are people who have purchased a PL from others in the past.

I agree 100% that an ench or a shaman can be a very effective powerleveler but
what you're discounting about me is that I'm definitely not you're normal run of the mill monk PL. There are no other melee classes on the solo artist challenge list. The reason for this is 3 fold:
A) Monks are OP compared to other melee.
B) I'm *arguably* the best geared monk on the server. I also happen to have some skill - maybe not the best on the server but I'm probably up there. 2nd in BoTB; loosing by 22hp to first place is a good argument for that (I'd like to compete against adrianna in a PL contest too but she's never on anymore. Plus I know with C below I'd get her - unless she found one to borrowed)
C) Pre-Nerf Fungi Staff. No other monk I know is triple stacking self regen. This is the actually the biggest factor of the 3 listed. 52 a tick with just under 1100 ac is huge when it comes to factoring a consistent kill rate. Add in the fact that I do fairly high DPS - 5-10% under our guild rogues consistently - and this makes for a very strong, very consistent powerlevel.

Not to mention you're not looking at the majority of classes being powerleveled. There is no real way that you can power level an ench, mage, necro, wiz, bard, cleric, shaman or druid faster than I can. Pet classes can't use their pets or they get crappy xp during the PL. So that leaves 6 out of 14 classes - War, Rog, Monk, Ranger, Paladin, SK - in which its arguable who can provide a faster PL.

Also with a good monk PLing they can attack down to 1 or 2% and then FD - providing constant DPS (I do around 90-95 dps without buffs or disc). For you to PL you have to do 49% or less dmg; the person being PLed has to do 51% or more. This means you are in essence capped at how fast you can powerlevel in relation to how fast the person you're PLing can kill - like you said a shaman PL is much more dependent on the person being power leveled. Therefore I would conceivable add a paladin and SK to the list of 8 classes I am 100% sure I can PL faster as their DPS is lower than other 4 melee.

I'm 100% sure I can PL 10/14 of the classes faster; the other 4/14 classes I am reasonably certain my PL would be faster. But I'm not 100% sure. Therefore I put this wager offer out there for anyone who wants to step up and see. I'd assume you'll choose one of the 30% of the classes that I'm not certain about.

It therefore seems ignorant to me that you would post on someone's EC thread that you're a faster PLer when it would only apply to 30% of the classes - and even then you're not even sure yourself if it would be faster for those 4 classes.

I await your wager and the challenge.

Well, let's not be naive... I'm sure any really good PL'er has heard everyone tell them they are the best. You give someone a few levels in an hour and they'll think you're a god. I find it hard to believe you'd just take other peoples' word for it without any thought to the contrary. If your mom tells you that you're smart, do you immediately go apply to grad school at MIT?

I never said monk wasn't the best for PLing casters. But you claimed to be the best on the server and then gave an example of a PL session with a warrior, so the challenge to your claim is valid. At least in my EC thread for PL, I'd mention that I was not as good for casters as other classes. And I never felt the need to make any kind of claim about being the best. A good PLer does the job and word of mouth ensures they are never short on clients. It was your douchey tone that really made your thread special. Multiple people posted in your thread saying you sounded like a complete douche. That should tell you something. Of course, forum cop Ambrotos came along and deleted most of those posts, since he's always done such an exceptional and consistent job of policing these forums.