Trak Watch - 2012

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Also, Rogean said 15man claim is still good to go.

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Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many of you pushing for no variance actually participated in the raid scene of this server back when before the variance was introduced?

I'm willing to bet not many of you. Those that were here can vouch for how bad it really was. The problem isn't necessarily that a GM was being called to mediate every single raid boss (We can easily tell who got FTE relatively quickly), but the fact that the guilds treated eachother worse than they do now. No variance means poop socking.. the closer it gets to the spawn time, the more guilds show up. One guild might have been there waiting for 10 hours and another guild shows up 2 hours before it spawns. How fair is that?

So that's why the 15 person rule was originally implemented (Which still exists btw). As long as you maintained 15 people on top of the spawn point within aggro range, you had claim to the mob. Then as soon as a guild fell to 14 people, perhaps someone went linkdead for only a minute, the other guild would rush in and claim. GM's would be called, there was no way to prove either, but it's still a douchebag move. It got even worse when the era of rule lawyering started.

Now let's look at the Fippy server. I don't have all the information about what occurred there but I do know it was an absolutely spectacular clusterfuck. Many things were tried until eventually the GM's instituted a mandatory rotation. No matter what you do the guilds are going to treat eachother like shit. What's funny and/or sad is they don't even realize it themselves. They get so worked up over things that they form biased opinions which lead into a call for GM mediation, then obviously a decision has to be made which will inevitably result in one guild winning the dispute over the other, and the losing guild will immedietely and automatically cry claims of favoritism and corruption.

I don't want to force a rotation on the players. I believe in fair and fun competition. Players coming up with their own agreements is great as well but I don't think we should need to force anything upon them.

And what Rogean says, goes.

[Jarnauga]

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[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And what Rogean says, goes.

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Originally Posted by Rogean

So that's why the 15 person rule was originally implemented (Which still exists btw). As long as you maintained 15 people on top of the spawn point within aggro range, you had claim to the mob.

Originally posted by Metallikus

How are you going to comment on the current raid scene when you don't know that the 15 man rule was thrown out the day Sirken became lead GM?

Originally Posted by Sirken

15 people on a spawn is stupid. if u want to claim the mob, then engage the mob.

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Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by Rogean

So that's why the 15 person rule was originally implemented (Which still exists btw). As long as you maintained 15 people on top of the spawn point within aggro range, you had claim to the mob.

Originally posted by Metallikus

How are you going to comment on the current raid scene when you don't know that the 15 man rule was thrown out the day Sirken became lead GM?

Originally Posted by Sirken

15 people on a spawn is stupid. if u want to claim the mob, then engage the mob.

doesn't matter what Sirken says, Rogean posted that after Sirken's post.

Like I said, what Rogeans says goes.

[Tarathiel]

but rogean doesnt settle raid disputes unfortunately

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Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but rogean doesnt settle raid disputes unfortunately

bring it up to him and watch what happens.

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bring it up to him and watch what happens.

i wasnt around back in the day when he did, but id assume it wouldnt go well if someone asked him too, for any parties involved.

[Tarathiel]

if i was GM(thankfully im not, tho i did have GM powers for a night once which was pretty awesome, people /petition for some pretty dumb stuff lol) i would just wash my hands of the raid scene completely. sure it would be a clusterfuck for a while and lots of tears would be shed. but ultimately i think the server would learn to just get along

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Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i wasnt around back in the day when he did, but id assume it wouldnt go well if someone asked him too, for any parties involved.

Rogean leads the GMs/Guides. If he says something is still in, then it's in. He is still pretty active around p99 and all you have to do is bring it up to him.

I imagine Sirken just hasn't gone back and changed his "this shit is history" as it's kinda apparent that Rogean knows about Sirken's post.

If I were raiding and I could possibly change it so I didn't have to sock against a guild, I'd bring it up.

Better to be the 1st to know than the 2nd.