New (old school) opinion

[Qaedain]

No, ad hominem is any argument that includes insults and belittling.

The distinction you draw does not exist.

[Yukface]

Originally Posted by Qaedain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, ad hominem is any argument that includes insults and belittling.

The distinction you draw does not exist.

Common misconceptions about ad hominem

Gratuitous verbal abuse or "name-calling" itself is not an argumentum ad hominem or a logical fallacy.[5][6][7][8][9] The fallacy only occurs if personal attacks are employed instead of an argument to devalue an argument by attacking the speaker, not personal insults in the middle of an otherwise sound argument or insults that stand alone. "X's argument is invalid because X's analogy is false, there are differences between a republic and a democracy. But then again, X is idiotically ignorant." is gratuitously abusive but is not a fallacy because X's argument is actually addressed directly in the opening statement. "X is idiotically ignorant" is not a fallacy of itself. It is an argument that X doesn't know the difference between a republic and a democracy.
This is not to be confused with a true fallacy, which would be "X is idiotically ignorant [of politics], so why should we listen to him now?"
"In reality, ad hominem is unrelated to sarcasm or personal abuse. Argumentum ad hominem is the logical fallacy of attempting to undermine a speaker's argument by attacking the speaker instead of addressing the argument. The mere presence of a personal attack does not indicate ad hominem: the attack must be used for the purpose of undermining the argument, or otherwise the logical fallacy isn't there. It is not a logical fallacy to attack someone; the fallacy comes from assuming that a personal attack is also necessarily an attack on that person's arguments."[5]
"You are just an ignorant twit." This is an insult and it is abusive, but it is not an argument. Because it is not an argument, it cannot be a fallacy. Of course, that doesn't mean that such personal insults are OK - just that when they appear alone, they aren't logical fallacies.[10]

do not pass go do not collect $200

[Yukface]

in actuality you will see that never once did I say something like...

Hey Mikenoobtastic, your a dumbass noob who doesnt know his ass from a hole in his head, and since you are only level 10 with 17 posts I dont really give a shit what you think about camping mobs.

I actually solicited his opinion on the argument, and insulted his lack of ability to do such.

Opposedly he immediately tried to degrade my posts value with the, you are sure to bring more douchebaggery like boneface, which is a PROTOTYPE Ad hominem.

spend less time reading forums and more time reading your 8th grade homework.

[mr.miketastic]

Originally Posted by Yukface [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in actuality you will see that never once did I say something like...

Hey Mikenoobtastic, your a dumbass noob who doesnt know his ass from a hole in his head, and since you are only level 10 with 17 posts I dont really give a shit what you think about camping mobs.

I actually solicited his opinion on the argument, and insulted his lack of ability to do such.

Opposedly he immediately tried to degrade my posts value with the, you are sure to bring more douchebaggery like boneface, which is a PROTOTYPE Ad hominem.

spend less time reading forums and more time reading your 8th grade homework.

Actually, your argument would have more validity were I trying to, like you, hide behind a shield of moral superiority.

[Falisaty]

Originally Posted by Yukface [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Common misconceptions about ad hominem

Gratuitous verbal abuse or "name-calling" itself is not an argumentum ad hominem or a logical fallacy.[5][6][7][8][9] The fallacy only occurs if personal attacks are employed instead of an argument to devalue an argument by attacking the speaker, not personal insults in the middle of an otherwise sound argument or insults that stand alone. "X's argument is invalid because X's analogy is false, there are differences between a republic and a democracy. But then again, X is idiotically ignorant." is gratuitously abusive but is not a fallacy because X's argument is actually addressed directly in the opening statement. "X is idiotically ignorant" is not a fallacy of itself. It is an argument that X doesn't know the difference between a republic and a democracy.
This is not to be confused with a true fallacy, which would be "X is idiotically ignorant [of politics], so why should we listen to him now?"
"In reality, ad hominem is unrelated to sarcasm or personal abuse. Argumentum ad hominem is the logical fallacy of attempting to undermine a speaker's argument by attacking the speaker instead of addressing the argument. The mere presence of a personal attack does not indicate ad hominem: the attack must be used for the purpose of undermining the argument, or otherwise the logical fallacy isn't there. It is not a logical fallacy to attack someone; the fallacy comes from assuming that a personal attack is also necessarily an attack on that person's arguments."[5]
"You are just an ignorant twit." This is an insult and it is abusive, but it is not an argument. Because it is not an argument, it cannot be a fallacy. Of course, that doesn't mean that such personal insults are OK - just that when they appear alone, they aren't logical fallacies.[10]

do not pass go do not collect $200

MY GOD I feel like im back in College... my brain hurts

[Stepy]

Yes it's true pickled took me down and seven seconds flat and only used 1% mana, he is truly the best i surrender all my titles to him. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[eqdruid76]

Originally Posted by Stepy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes it's true pickled took me down and seven seconds flat and only used 1% mana, he is truly the best i surrender all my titles to him. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But you were level 3, and he was level 36......

[mr.miketastic]

Originally Posted by Qaedain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, ad hominem is any argument that includes insults and belittling.

The distinction you draw does not exist.

Another in a long litany of fallacies from the OP.

[Ihealyou]

Originally Posted by Qaedain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, ad hominem is any argument that includes insults and belittling.

The distinction you draw does not exist.

From wikipedia:

Gratuitous verbal abuse or "name-calling" itself is not an argumentum ad hominem or a logical fallacy. The fallacy only occurs if personal attacks are employed instead of an argument to devalue an argument by attacking the speaker, not personal insults in the middle of an otherwise sound argument or insults that stand alone.

If I were to say that your point is wrong because your evidence is unsupported and by the way, you're an idiot, it wouldn't be an ad hominem because I still made a valid argument. On the other hand, if I were to say that your point is wrong because you are an idiot, it would be an ad hominem.

[mr.miketastic]

Originally Posted by Ihealyou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From wikipedia:


If I were to say that your point is wrong because your evidence is unsupported and by the way, you're an idiot, it wouldn't be an ad hominem because I still made a valid argument. On the other hand, if I were to say that your point is wrong because you are an idiot, it would be an ad hominem.

Clearly the OP is way out of his depth.