Questions about Necromancers and Faction relations

[Silverain]

My monk is Iksar, and is warmly in Kelethin, Kaladim and Felwithe for the most part. I can buy/sell and bank with sneak in Kelethin, and without it in Kaladim. I went to CB at 6, and was turning in belts by like 9. If you truly wish to stay Iksar Nec, don't let faction stop you. Look up Gynk or Elari in game, I can port you to wherever you need and bind you. No charge. Welcome to the server.

[Silverain]

Originally Posted by Charms [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes but you also had a good aligned class.

Necromancers start off with a HUGE chip off faction, solely for their class. Then you add in the racial deduction, necros have a bit more faction to work up than a monk.

You may be right that necs have a harder time, however after only 3 lvls as a monk I could, and CB can definitely take you higher than lvl 9 and turning in belts never gets old even when the exp is stale. CB could technically take you to 20, with some patience, and if race means that much, the work is small by comparison.

[Silverain]

Outside of buyin basic provisions and a bank, you're right. Would still need someone to spell shop, but as a monk I also had to take the firepots to Cab everytime I wanted to train until 17, then I still had to go to FP. Sometimes, the work is worth it to play what you like.

[paladin1118]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I've decided I'll probably start an Iksar Necromancer after all.

If I remember correctly, the only thing thats really necessary to get from class trainers for a mage-type class is meditate anyway... and they get access to that around level 4 right? So I can level up around Cabilis just enough to get meditate learned and then leave and not have to come back anytime soon.

I figure I can get spells from the Necro guild in freeport either way, if I can't buy them myself, a level 1 human necro always can and then trade them to me. Food/water and everything else is easy enough to come by with another player's help or by just using alts I guess. So there's really no need to return to Cabilis except for training. I guess it just took me a while to remember all this lol... it's been a long time. I did play an iksar necro on official EQ for a couple years.

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

theoretically - you can obtain 99% of all factions in game. Question is how much effort it would take.

1. Not without giant faction work. Evil guys hard to get faction with. But Heretics of Paineel are the easiest - slaughter Erudin guards and paladins.

2. To some. Notable paladins and cleric, and but overall its your most welcoming city.

3. Oh yeah

4. Most definitely

5. I know Erudite necros apprehensive to Qeynos Necros. Not sure about FP

6. Most definitely

7. Yes. DE Necros practically OWN FP necros - they are allies.

Overall DE/Human necro of Innoruk have the most freedom moving around more popular areas. Erudite necros can train in Qeynos catacombs but thats about it.

Thanks, Kika, for answering my questions.

Originally Posted by Silverain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My monk is Iksar, and is warmly in Kelethin, Kaladim and Felwithe for the most part. I can buy/sell and bank with sneak in Kelethin, and without it in Kaladim. I went to CB at 6, and was turning in belts by like 9. If you truly wish to stay Iksar Nec, don't let faction stop you. Look up Gynk or Elari in game, I can port you to wherever you need and bind you. No charge. Welcome to the server.

Thanks for the port offer, Silverain, I'll definitely keep it in mind. Not exactly sure when me and my friend will be starting this duo though. We've got busy again with real life recently. We're definitely going to try this eventually though.

[aresprophet]

Faction is important for only a few things, so worrying about it isn't always necessary. In order of importance you need it for:

-Selling
-Banking
-Buying spells
-Training

A quick summary of how important each of these is, how hard it is to overcome negative factions, etc:

TRAINING: The least important. You essentially need to train at 8, 20, and 22 as a Necro. You may also want to make a big investment in training points in Research right around 34, but this is optional. Don't sweat it too much. Buying necro spells from a researcher is cheaper than buying enough points to trivialize your 49 spells (at least at my prices) and you can typically pay for combines as well if you're nice about it. As an Iksar you should be able to get to 20 in Kurn's tower faster than anywhere else in the game, so you can leave Kunark with all your necessary skills. Other races should be able to train in either Qeynos or Freeport without problems, depending. Again, don't sweat this too much because after 22 it's basically irrelevant.

SPELLS: Important, but not terribly difficult to overcome. Iksar have the worst time of this and without significant faction work will have to make frequent trips back to Cabilis. Dark Elves and Humans have it pretty easy as both Neriak and Freeport are easy to get to. One thing you can do if you have a little excess plat (and as a soloing necro you should) is buy an expensive gem (such as a Sapphire) with CHA gear on, make a mule character with a bunch of CHA points, and use it to buy your spells by drop-transferring. It's not elegant, but I did this in Cabilis on my necro for one spell level and it didn't take more than 20 minutes. Cost me less than 20pp extra.

BANKING: a big deal, but you can overcome this fairly easily. My Dark Elf necro is KOS in North Freeport, and he banks there all the time. All you need is a Circlet of Shadow (and a high enough Abjuration skill that FD won't fizzle a bunch). You invis behind the bankers out of LOS of the guards, FD, then bank. You use the CoS immediately after standing and avoid aggro. Simple as that. I've banked in Rivervale, NFP, Cabilis, and Felwithe using this method without trouble.

SELLING: as a necro you'll need vendors a lot. Whether you're hunting Halfling guards, High Elf guards, spectres, seafuries, or any other lucrative camps you'll need to offload your loot a lot to keep the plat rolling in alongside the exp. One overlooked asset you have is Call of Bones; the skeleton illusion can raise your faction substantially. As a Dark Elf I could sell to the vendors in Misty Thicket using CoB, then use the above banking trick to bank my plat. In some places this won't be enough, and you'll need to know what's your closest vendor option in a given place. Druid ring vendors are always indifferent so they're a great choice, but certain druid rings (such as NK) are totally unsafe and others (such as WC) are a little dangerous but possible to use anyway. Gypsies in Oasis will sell to you as well. Once you hit 50 and get an OT hammer (using your undead charm to skip the tedium of farming braids) you can use the simple expedient of binding near your camp, hammering out on a mob, and gating back. Not ideal for camps where you get loaded up on loot quickly, but it's a workaround. I have also used the drop-transfer trick outlined above for spell purchases to sell fine steel weapons when killing guards. Drop a couple backpacks full of weapons to a CHA-loaded mule, sell the weapons, and once you've got enough plat convert it to gems (which have a low variance between purchase and sell values). Overall though you need to consider your nearest selling point when choosing a camp spot, particularly if it's a high-volume loot camp. Otherwise you waste a lot of time and bone chips.

Faction work can alleviate some of these issues, but I found very few instances where I could work up faction with less cost and effort than it'd take to just work around the problem. Once you're 50+ with a CoS and an OT hammer you just don't have to worry about it as much. On the grind up to that, just be smart about where you hunt and you'll rake in a ton of cash.

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