So that's it for the election.

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Facism and other forms of centralized government will always lead to totalitarianism. It's the dream of many socialist that if they just had the right people in power, things would work out. But they never do.

People have the government they deserve. Liberty is just as likely to appear spontaneously in an enlightened society as tyranny is in an ignorant one.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People have the government they deserve. Liberty is just as likely to appear spontaneously in an enlightened society as tyranny is in an ignorant one.

I see. So collectivism always devolves into murderous totalitarianism because it has always been implemented in ignorant societies. And this is an argument for trying it here in America? Because our society is so enlightened, right?

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see. So collectivism always devolves into murderous totalitarianism because it has always been implemented in ignorant societies. And this is an argument for trying it here in America? Because our society is so enlightened, right?

Liberty also devolves into murderous totalitarianism in ignorant societies, anything does. I'm convinced an Ayn-Randian libertarian redneck-survival-fantasy paradise would work here too, but I disagree with that philosophy.

My point is, here in the United States (and to a similar extent in the UK and some other European countries), there has been a political culture of civility and respect for the rule of law. You might think this is a nasty, toxic election, but put it in perspective historically and internationally. And still, we're ultimately following the rules (as much as some of us may think they are silly).

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Liberty also devolves into murderous totalitarianism in ignorant societies, anything does.

Totalitarianism is anathema to liberty. Totalitarianism is a vital tool for collectivist societies. Huge difference.