Life after Velious... we can make it better!

[Rogean]

My general opinion of Luclin as an expansion is that it will be skipped content wise. I'd rather not take any of the content that it introduced. Won't be using models, no horses.

How do people think of augments? Not exactly the same way that they were introduced with loy, but custom slots and different ways to get them.

We'll probably never have instancing, I destroyed that code a while ago.

Something I could see us doing is finding ways to improve epic weapons, sort of like how 2.5's worked.

[Purdee]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My general opinion of Luclin as an expansion is that it will be skipped content wise. I'd rather not take any of the content that it introduced. Won't be using models, no horses.

How do people think of augments? Not exactly the same way that they were introduced with loy, but custom slots and different ways to get them.

We'll probably never have instancing, I destroyed that code a while ago.

Something I could see us doing is finding ways to improve epic weapons, sort of like how 2.5's worked.

definitely cool brainstorming the future of the server openly

[Reiker000]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My general opinion of Luclin as an expansion is that it will be skipped content wise. I'd rather not take any of the content that it introduced. Won't be using models, no horses.

How do people think of augments? Not exactly the same way that they were introduced with loy, but custom slots and different ways to get them.

We'll probably never have instancing, I destroyed that code a while ago.

Something I could see us doing is finding ways to improve epic weapons, sort of like how 2.5's worked.

Ssra was one of the best raid zones in the game, no denying that fact really. Nothing else really remarkable about Luclin though, except AAs were a good addition and the Nexus port system wasn't very overpowered (and it was becoming necessary, as people became more and more spread out it became increasingly difficult to find a port).

LDON was kinda similar... awful expansion, but augments were a good addition. It was kinda dumb at first, but that was mainly because all the best augs (hp, aggro proc) were mostly at one camp (Miragul).

Augs are cool because... well say you put in all kinds of time to get your epic. A lot of them become replaced by Velious. So, you put in all this effort to get this bad ass weapon that's supposed to be a token of your class, only to kill some random mob in Velious and upgrade it. If augs were around, they could have put in a mini "1.5" quest to get an aug that would fit in the epic to upgrade it, keeping them relevant.

And then you have things like BiC... which was kind of a love it or hate it thing. It was a quest introduced in GoD that took an enormous amount of time to achieve (made epics look like hand outs) and rewarded an augment so powerful people were still using it and doing the quest many years later. To me, this quest was one of the only good parts of GoD, only tainted by the fact that well, the entire quest takes place in GoD.

Quest: http://everquest.allakhazam.com/sear...+communication

Augment: http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=36269 (archetype dependent)

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by Reiker000 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Augs are cool because... well say you put in all kinds of time to get your epic. A lot of them become replaced by Velious. So, you put in all this effort to get this bad ass weapon that's supposed to be a token of your class, only to kill some random mob in Velious and upgrade it. If augs were around, they could have put in a mini "1.5" quest to get an aug that would fit in the epic to upgrade it, keeping them relevant.

Its an inherit problem with any sort of epic weapon and any future content.
You essentially only have 2 options:
a) Your epic will become obsolete. period. Which will undermine entire gigantic quest that will take 6-12 month to complete.
or
b) if your epic can be continuously upgraded with each new expansion - then all new weapon drops are useless. Why have them when your epic will always be better?
Even if you approach this with "epics are for hard core raiders while dropped weapons are for casuals", it still sucks to be permanently locked into using the same weapon over and over again - all the other weapons and weapon types and weapon skills - they all become meaningless.

IMHO, while cool in concept, epic quests for epic weapons are BAD for an MMO that looks to add more content beyond the expansion in which epics were introduced.

Otherwise this will happen over and over again:

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[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its an inherit problem with any sort of epic weapon and any future content.

I agree completely on this. Epic weapons were VERY poorly designed. Each class should have had a single item to quest for that was "epic" in nature. Rangers should have had, maybe one off-hand sword, Paladins a shield or something, vary the slots. Wizards could have been a ring, etc.etc. Keep the slots different and unique so you don't have scenarios where main hand items never get used again.

I am of the opinion that epics should have been allowed to obsolete, and I feel the same way about primal. Avatar procing weapons were just STUPID. Make them proc Primal Essence and maybe an extra +20 atk on it or whatever.

[Ferok]

Originally Posted by Reiker000 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Augs are cool because... well say you put in all kinds of time to get your epic. A lot of them become replaced by Velious. So, you put in all this effort to get this bad ass weapon that's supposed to be a token of your class, only to kill some random mob in Velious and upgrade it. If augs were around, they could have put in a mini "1.5" quest to get an aug that would fit in the epic to upgrade it, keeping them relevant.

I don't have an issue with augs, though where epics are concerned I'd prefer just continuing the quest like 1.5/2.0 etc did.

Curious, what epics are upgraded by random mobs in Velious? That sounds much more like WoW than Velious. All the caster, priest epics were still BiS at the end of Velious as I recall. Some vulak loot was better than melee epics, and some other dragon loot made for some arguments but hardly random mobs as far as I can remember....

Even in Luclin the caster epics were still very relevant and for casual melees as well...

[pasi]

Originally Posted by Ferok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Curious, what epics are upgraded by random mobs in Velious? That sounds much more like WoW than Velious. All the caster, priest epics were still BiS at the end of Velious as I recall. Some vulak loot was better than melee epics, and some other dragon loot made for some arguments but hardly random mobs as far as I can remember....

Even in Luclin the caster epics were still very relevant and for casual melees as well...

I think he meant random mobs as raid mobs, not snow cougars and shit.

The only epic not replaceable in Velious (outside of clicks) is the bard epic.
Wizard, Enchanter, Mage, and Necromancer - Staff of the Silent Star
Cleric - Blackstar + Sprinkler
Shaman/Druid - Sprinkler of Spirits
Monk - technically DoVassirs qualify here, but not realistically upgraded until PoP imo.

The melee weapons all have numerous examples.

[Layne]

Halfling rangers just make sence. I played so many different race/class combinations on live but never got into any of them as much as I did my halfling ranger.. I would be playing right now I think if the race/class combo was opened up.

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by Layne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Halfling rangers just make sence. I played so many different race/class combinations on live but never got into any of them as much as I did my halfling ranger.. I would be playing right now I think if the race/class combo was opened up.

COMPLETELY AGREED

this is one non-classic change that i think would fit in perfectly with classic

even in 2000 i was baffled about why halflings couldn't play rangers