Starting a warrior

[Stickyfingers]

I think he is saying Warriors are better tanks because they mitigate damage better? Aggro isn't the only thing tanks have to worry about.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Stickyfingers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think he is saying Warriors are better tanks because they mitigate damage better? Aggro isn't the only thing tanks have to worry about.

It's an open equation right now because there are 2 variables: damage mitigation and the rate at which you kill. Both of these increase the mana efficiency of the healer. If you're having to hold back on DPS, you're going to lose the edge having a better mitigation gives you.

[YendorLootmonkey]

You could just force aggro on the warrior (although it makes him feel like an adult riding a bike with training wheels) by using root and making sure he is the closest one to the mob for proximity aggro. Multiple classes can cast it, including a mage's earth pet. Rangers have the perfect weapons for it... I was gonna put away my Ebony Bladed Swords that proc Ensaring Roots, but actually they're kinda useful with a warrior tank in the group.

Otherwise, as mentioned above, your DPS classes are going to have to wait way too long to engage and the mob lives longer, thus increasing the loss of the group's collective HP pool, which is killing your efficiency.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could just force aggro on the warrior (although it makes him feel like an adult riding a bike with training wheels) by using root and making sure he is the closest one to the mob for proximity aggro. Multiple classes can cast it, including a mage's earth pet. Rangers have the perfect weapons for it... I was gonna put away my Ebony Bladed Swords that proc Ensaring Roots, but actually they're kinda useful with a warrior tank in the group.

Yeah, and root is such a sloppy way to do it. With all that nuking going on it's definitely going to break a couple of times. Please put the Eblades away when I'm tanking =)

[Omnimorph]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, and root is such a sloppy way to do it. With all that nuking going on it's definitely going to break a couple of times. Please put the Eblades away when I'm tanking =)

Only if you have aggro!

And Warriors tank fine at the higher levels. By that time wizards think twice before casting a nuke that could have a mob hitting them for 120s [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chanters tank fine. We have tash too.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Omnimorph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only if you have aggro!

And Warriors tank fine at the higher levels. By that time wizards think twice before casting a nuke that could have a mob hitting them for 120s [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chanters tank fine. We have tash too.

Well they need to unlearn what they've learned from playing with warriors if they're playing with me because I can hold aggro at 100% as soon as my first spell goes off and I want them to chain nuke so we can get to the next mob.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well they need to unlearn what they've learned from playing with warriors if they're playing with me because I can hold aggro at 100% as soon as my first spell goes off and I want them to chain nuke so we can get to the next mob.

Oh, I just read far enough back in the thread to see that you're an SK. Sorry, couldn't tell from your corpse in Mistmoore (or in Crushbone or wherever I saw it!) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyway, yes, I've got weapons to switch out the eblades with if I'm playing alongside a SK or Pally.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, and root is such a sloppy way to do it. With all that nuking going on it's definitely going to break a couple of times. Please put the Eblades away when I'm tanking =)

If a warrior needs root to "hold aggro" (and I put that in quotes because it's not really holding aggro), then chances are the mob is ping-ponging around from the nuking anyway, so there's really no difference, is there?

At least with the eblades, when root breaks, the ranger is most likely taking the hits and not one of your casters, giving you a chance to re-aggro without getting a robe-wearer killed.

However, note I'm not going to get into an argument over whether rangers can mitigate damage better than a caster. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]