After Velious - discussion thread

[mixxit]

Just to reiterate that thread is not where we will take the server. It is purely for my own interest :-)

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by mixxit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to reiterate that thread is not where we will take the server. It is purely for my own interest :-)

Well i mean, its not gonna go there for sure, but it could, right? If you like the ideas that are suggested? Or theres already a plan and whatever we discuss is irrelevant?

[eqdruid76]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or theres already a plan and whatever we discuss is irrelevant?

I certainly hope so.

[Darian]

Yay for zones added to old continents- warrens, stonebrunt, jaggedpine (loved it), veksar (might have to tone down that one a bit)

boo moon kittehs

Also a thought- I remember scouring the cloth map and finding places that I hadn't explored-- because they weren't implemented. Some of them were added in with later expansions (The Nest, Hills of Shade), but afaik places like the Grand Plateau on Erudin and The Dead Hills on southern Antonica were never fleshed out. Wouldn't be a bad place to start thinking about custom content since technically, those places were part of game lore in 99...

[Malrubius]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well i mean, its not gonna go there for sure, but it could, right? If you like the ideas that are suggested? Or theres already a plan and whatever we discuss is irrelevant?

Actually the first part of your sentence is correct, as nilbog has already stated. It is not gonna go there for sure. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] That's one of the biggest reasons for this server's success imho - it's nilbog's baby, and he's sticking to his guns like they were glued there. Sony started listening to the daydreaming back in 2001. nilbog clearly won't (other than for fun).

Another quote you could add to your OP if you were so inclined...

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. The plan is to not lose characters and keep P1999 what it's supposed to be. A classic server.

Classic is up to Velious by community terms. It's when EQ was in its peak. Luclin is not considered classic and will not be included in our server. What happens with a lack of content? Well, there's plenty of other servers in the community that offer higher levels of content, and if you wanted to play them, then you should be playing them instead of playing here. I'd like to see people happy, and if this isn't the type of game you like, then it's not the game you should be playing. To keep playing something you don't like is sadistic in a way.

EDIT - and since this is for fun, I like Ykesha of all things. It was a well conceived, if small, expansion. It connected with the originial Odus, and had some fun content. I didn't like the in-game maps or silly mounts though :/

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Malrubius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually the first part of your sentence is correct, as nilbog has already stated. It is not gonna go there for sure. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] That's one of the biggest reasons for this server's success imho - it's nilbog's baby, and he's sticking to his guns like they were glued there. Sony started listening to the daydreaming back in 2001. nilbog clearly won't (other than for fun).

Another quote you could add to your OP if you were so inclined...

Then this thread is an exercice in futility XD

Maybe its somewhere in between, they have a plan worked out but if someone suggests something that would be great to play, they could make it?

If its just mental masturbation then i dont see the point. Theres off-topic and R&F for that. Its like OOOOHHH wouldnt THIS be cool? Yea! What about THAT? Oh man, that shit would rock!

Then ---> Lets go back to grinding the same ole zones again, not gonna happen. Its like working yourself up for something that is not going to happen lol.

The point is, if nothing new is added, it ends with velious. Unless you can constantly replenish the amount of noobs to the server like nourishing a whale with Krill, but somehow i doubt its gonna happen.

[Malrubius]

I see your point, but I think that this can still be an interesting discussion for fun.

There are, I guess, two general kinds of views of this. Some players feel the need to continually have new content, new raid encounters, and an ever-expanding world. Others do not feel the need for that in the least. Both are perfectly valid views.

I am not saying that you will not get bored. But at the same time, please don't suggest that I will get bored. If I played hours a day, every day, sure, I eventually would I suppose. But I would on any server in that case.

But I don't play to that extreme anymore. And much of the time I am playing is spent exploring, questing, and socializing.

If you do get bored as you expect, then there are other servers with lots of later content. I'm not saying you should quit here, just play other servers for awhile whenever you get bored with all the classic content. You will get bored there too, and then you will hopefully come back and join us.

I see Project 1999 as the rock that we keep coming back to after visiting, say, the 42nd expansion, Fairies of Fookdark. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] It's a classic Everquest server for the ages.

[Kluren]

Yeah, I am against the 1990s sci fi moon lol.

I have faith that the devs here have a much better idea of where classic EQ would have gone under a full on Verant staff than with Smed and co.


The devs know what they are doing. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[anthony210]

No matter what the devs say now. If the server is still running 3 years from now when we are over a year into Velious, new content will have to come out or the server will die period. Something will have to be done.

Everyone (including some of the developers) that is being 100% stubborn right now and saying "We will never go past Velious and no new content will come out" has no idea what they are saying, unless they fully intent to just let the server die.

Also for everyone saying to go to another server. There is no other server to play on that is anything like P99, and thats what makes it so great. No other server has the population besides PEQ to make the game fun. And really PEQ is just people boxing, and I hate that. Even with the boxing, PEQ averages around 250 people at peak, compared to P99s over 700+. I would not be surprised if P99 breaks 1000+ people online within a couple months.

Right now if you want to play a legit non custom EQ emu server that has a near live population you have 1 choice and that is P99. So telling everyone that might want content past velious to F off and go to another server isnt really that good of an option. There are other solutions such as creating a new server that will go past velious and allowing the people that want to, to transfer to it. Or any of the suggestions in the other thread.

It really discourages me when I see a dev post things that basically amount to them saying the server will stagnate after Velious. But then I remember they will pretty much HAVE to do something, they dont want the server to die just as much as we dont. I know quite a few people who are 50 right now that are taking a break waiting for Kunark or PoSky since they are already bored. We are still quite a few months away from Kunark. The same thing will happen after Velious comes out and the raid content is on farm status, only when that happens people wont take breaks, they will just quit because there is nothing left to look forward to. Which is why I know the devs will add content when the time comes.

Granted, all of this will happen years from now so its not a big deal right now. But

[eqdruid76]

Originally Posted by Malrubius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually the first part of your sentence is correct, as nilbog has already stated. It is not gonna go there for sure. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] That's one of the biggest reasons for this server's success imho - it's nilbog's baby, and he's sticking to his guns like they were glued there. Sony started listening to the daydreaming back in 2001. nilbog clearly won't (other than for fun).

Another quote you could add to your OP if you were so inclined...

I hope you're right. All this "IWANTNEWCONTENTNOW" nonesense is precisely what destroyed Everquest live. It wouldn't surprise me if these people weren't the very same ones who "vocally" suggested the same damned crap to the Sony devs and were directly responsible for ruining it for everyone else, which is truly what I see here.

I've said this over and over again. There are two kinds of people who are playing on Project 1999. 1). The ones who realize that the entire purpose of the existence of this project is to emulate Everquest as it existed on the live servers from launch to Velious, and 2). The ones who don't. So many people are pushing for non-classic changes that they can already experience on any number of other private servers. I think, in their minds, they believe that the reason EQ live lost its charm was that there wasn't enough new content, new graphics, new game mechanics, etc. They are incorrect. It lost its charm BECAUSE of these things. There are much better modern MMOs on the market than Everquest as it exists on live today. But there is NOTHING better than the original Everquest.

I would have dismissed these threads entirely, had the first one not been started by a dev. I realize he has repeatedly said it was just for his own interest, but longtime vets have heard this before. Once upon a time, Absor, Rytan and a few other live devs would make posts VERY similar to this, and some of the same wild speculation and horrible ideas that players foamed about were actually taken seriously by them (ex. The Bazaar, PoK books, chat channels, AA, to name a few)...horrible ideas that contributed to the decline of the game.

I think....I THINK...that the devs have learned from Sony's mistakes enough to dismiss all these "the grass is always greener" players' ideas to dumb down and simply the game, because I honestly and whole-heartedly believe that the reason that Project 1999 is the most populated server is its mission statement, which is to emulate live as closely as possible up to Velious. To deviate from that would be a very huge mistake, and I think they know it.

Too many companies worry more about new content than about fixing the content they've released. Everquest was notorious for this. Luclin wasn't even finished when it was released. Bad business model.

This server is all about the nostalgia of the look and feel of the game when it was launched. That nostalgia tapers off with the Luclin expansion and beyond for a lot of players. I think the same core group of people playing on this server new will still be playing on it in 4 years' time, if it still exists, because we're here for the nostalgia and the mission statement. Meanwhile, the fringe "kewldood" players who are voicing all of these incredibly stupid ideas will probably have moved on to another server in 2 or 3 months, which is eerily similar to later live expansions; Most of the horrible changes to live were championed by players who abandoned the game soon afterwards.

Again, I truly hope the devs have learned from the mistakes of the past. Players who aren't satisfied now probably still won't be satisfied no matter how many of the changes they suggest are made.