Class/Race Rant

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While the hockey masks beats out the Ogre totem, the DEF male medusa, HIE male snow tiger, ERU male scorpion, GNO female tinkerer, and HUM dragons are also pretty awesome. If I could have put up with bucket helmets for kunark, I would have made my bard a human for the dragon helmets.

Dude!

How can you leave out the asymmetrical bucket hat that the male dwarves get?!

I can not WAIT!!

I want my bucket hat back so bad I can taste it.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I want my bucket hat back so bad I can taste it.

I listed the hats I liked, you are free to have any disagreement you wish. The bucket hat is better than the crap Iksars get though.

[Ferok]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude!

How can you leave out the asymmetrical bucket hat that the male dwarves get?!

I can not WAIT!!

I want my bucket hat back so bad I can taste it.

Bucket hat is the best, hands down. High elf dildo helm is a close second.

[Smedy]

Originally Posted by ccs88 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After getting back into the game I'm kind of amazed how imbalanced the class/race combos are. Perhaps WoW ruined my MMO ideals, but I can't create a character anymore without thinking about numbers and end game use.

For example, why would anyone in their right mind play a human monk over an iksar?
Why are Barbarians even able to be rogues, and why are the arguably the best race for a rogue? They're not stealthy. They're a big loud race. Makes no sense! Why do rangers suck so bad, yet it's the class a lot of people want to play the most. The advantage ogres/troll have for warriors and shadowknights are ridiculous over other races. And more stuff. And more stuff.

I just needed to put this in writing somewhere. I'm not really too pissed and I'll still play.
I have to remind myself that EQ was about roleplaying more so than elitism to a point.

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From your bluebie perspective the barbarian sure looks to be the best in the game, but from a red pvp perspective the barbarian isn't

You probably can't figure it out, but it has nothing to do with stats that makes one of the rogue races superior on a red server.

[theaetatus]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This has been my experience in six years of live play and over two years of p99 play with about 3 years of WoW and a year of EQ2 mixed in.

It's the players that matter.

How this simple concept keeps being overlooked in massively multiplayer RPGs baffles me.

As far as I can see, no-one is suggesting that racial choice is more important than player skill. What people are saying is that some races get an advantage... Not A > B, but A + B > A

That's the simple concept that's not hard to grasp. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[webrunner5]

I think on here a Mage or a Necro can be good naked. It is more player skill. And for Melee's it is Skill plus twink gear. More toward the twink part. I don't think race has much to do with any of it in the end. Solo you can lean toward races that have re gen, but you are not really going to solo much at level 60 on a even con. Barely do a Light Blue.

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I listed the hats I liked, you are free to have any disagreement you wish. The bucket hat is better than the crap Iksars get though.

Either you dislike me, or imitate an android on the forums... I can't figure out which...

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by theaetatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as I can see, no-one is suggesting that racial choice is more important than player skill. What people are saying is that some races get an advantage... Not A > B, but A + B > A

That's the simple concept that's not hard to grasp. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sigh.

I'm seriously not communicating well lately.

[theaetatus]

It's ok, you made sense mostly.

What all these skill vs race arguments boil down to is confusion as to the question asked. Generally someone asks 'What is the best race for this class', which is a min/maxing question, then some people reply 'Play any race, it's all down to skill', which isn't answering the question at all.

Everyone knows skill is more important when it comes down to it, and very few people will choose, say, an iksar monk over a human one for a group. However, if you are prone to min/maxing and don't want to regret a racial choice later on, it is handy to know which race is going to have an advantage, however slight.

P.S. I chose troll, I'm not min/maxing. I just prefer the Troll models to the Ogre ones.

[Picked]

People are just too racist in EQ!

I learned one thing a long time ago playing MMOs. Play what you want. Don't play something because it is status quo. The most important thing is that you enjoy playing that character because if you don't it's a long road to 60 with a character you enjoy, much less one you aren't a fan of but he does have nice stats.

Personally I wouldn't like playing an Ogre or troll. Just because a class gets slam or high strength or regen doesn't mean it's worth the pain and anguish of trying to group in solb or highkeep, or anywhere with narrow hallways. Getting stuck in hallways and dieing has to be the worst. It's hard enough not to die from your own mistakes let alone a design feature. I do like the looks of these classes, and get good chuckles out of them from time to time though.