Where did WoW go right?

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, I don't feel the need to show respect to people who came into a POSITIVE topic, only to bash a game and make negative comparisons. It isn't my fault people couldn't read the topic title correctly, its your fault. It sounds like I've played as far into EQ as you and others here have, so like I asked these others, post more information and direct it to my points I made, you don't seem to be able to respond. Instead you take the sensitivity on the internet route.


Right, and I made points about that, and pointed you to another thread focused on that. We can agree to disagree, that's fine. I'd rather spend the "time" playing the game, the game.

You don't have experience in WoW, so don't make comparisons, that was never the point of this topic anyway. Why do you need to defend EQ on a classic EQ forum? No one has a response to that.

Again, read the other thread about timesinks. Saying a timesink is "difficult" is just silly. Difficult why? Because you spend hours to accomplish one little thing? Why is this considered difficult?

In the other thread, you'll see what your posting is already addressed by me as well as others, and pretty much shows what you're saying is silly.

Say you have to camp a specific mob for about 18 hours straight, does that mean it is difficult, or does it mean it just requires a lot of time? We are talking about things in a game sense, not that you can't eat/shower for 18 hours, that isn't game difficulty.

I think you have created an amalgamation of people posting in this thread. I never had a problem with WoW, IMO its a very well made game and I had fun playing it. You are so overly defensive of WoW you can't even seperate who has said what. To be honest if wanted to bash WoW I could, I could do the same for EQ, both games have a flaw list 10 miles long. In all honesty your compsure does a lot more detriment than anything I could say as you are a great reminder of the anti-social player base in WoW.

As far as points go, you really haven't made any in response to me except for your opinion that timesinks =\= difficulty. While I can definitely understand you would "rather play the game" you are arguing apples and oranges. Your preference of playstyle has nothing to do with the definition of difficulty, the level of impediment in reaching your goal.

Also you fail to see the irony of talking about how WoW was more excessible to everyone than making incorrect statements about who played what. I mean it really doesn't matter what you think, I played and enjoyed WoW and know it. But it does just degrade your arguments when you start basing them on knowing details about the lives of people you have never met. End game in WoW was far more attainable than end game in EQ.

You also failed to address the points brought up by other people about item obtainment in WoW but that could just go on forever.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was in a large raiding guild in WoW for a while, and often was in some of the top ranked 3v3 and 5v5 teams on the Blackrock server (aj/misc be mirin). If I was anti-social this wouldn't of been possible, seeing as how interaction and communication is truly key. I never said EQ sucks, or WoW sucks, it was a debate about complexity and feeling like you're truly playing, instead of watching a movie. There are too many people blinded by nostalgia, and they keep forgetting what forum we're on. I play on P1999 for god's sake. I obviously enjoy EQ. Why does it needed to be defended, and WoW need to be bashed? Especially in a POSITIVE thread.



Your bolded quote speaks for itself. I chuckled. I guess I just prefer challenges (some minor) over sitting on my ass waiting for hours.



It is/was more accessible. Everyone who seems to bash WoW has limited experience with it though, so they are bashing something they've barely experienced. I never enjoyed the leveling/questing in WoW myself, but I enjoyed the PVP/PVE end game, you know...the focus of the game. Everyone's debate is "oh my gosh its so easy to level in wow its casual and sucks". Please...

I did address item obtainment, I mentioned arenas vs battleground gear, guild raid vs raid finder, etc. I'd rather play a game for 2 hours and have a chance for items, than camp a spawn for 20 hours to have a chance at the item, once. If you don't agree, that's fine. The majority of people don't have 20 hours to spare.

I chuckled too. You are reading my post but I guess this is failure of the internet where you are deriving something not intended.

I do not like timesinks. I don't like getting carpal tunnel handing in 2g at a time to NPCs for faction. Me saying that EQ is more difficult because it has timesinks does not mean I think it is a better game because of it. I can tell you that a football field is 100 yards from end zone to end zone, it doesn't indicate if I have a preference for a particular team.

Me saying that you can level any class solo in WoW but not EQ does not mean I think it is automatically a better game. I do personally feel that a lot of people in WoW were more clueless about their class or social skills because of it at end game though.

I have always said I thought WoW was way more polished than EQ or any other MMO I have played when it was released.

[lawll]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have always said I thought WoW was way more polished than EQ or any other MMO I have played when it was released.

Have you seen that crap that has been released since WoW went live?! Nothing has been as polished as wow from release till now. No one even puts up the amount of effort that blizzard does into MMOs anymore.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by lawll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you seen that crap that has been released since WoW went live?! Nothing has been as polished as wow from release till now. No one even puts up the amount of effort that blizzard does into MMOs anymore.

Sorry to clarify, I was not saying at the time of WoW's release rather, when any game was released. So yes, I agree.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some of you guys have the worst analogies I swear lol

Your opinion seems to be fluctuating a bit, and you still haven't really addressed anything I've brought up, but ok.

If my analogy doesn't make sense or you think my opinion is in flux maybe it is because you keep arguing with me about something I didn't say.

My analagoy is in reference to me giving a fact (or at least not highly debated subject, such as EQ contains timesinks) and you then infering I have an opinion on wether or not that is a good thing.