Raren Loses...all the time.

[jilena]

I find all this shit hilarious. I have grouped with people from just about every guild on this server on my cleric and my necro. I know nice people in DA, I know nice people in IB, I know nice people in Divinity, I know nice people in Trans, I know nice people in GC. And I have met people in every single one of these guilds who give off the impression that they would lie, cheat, exploit, train, ks, leapfrog, rape their mothers, spit on retarded kids, and probably sleep with those they loved knowing they had AIDS, if they thought it would let them collect more ph4tz.

I have read post after post of DA bashing the shit out of IB druids and rangers for sitting in zones waiting for mobs to spawn telling them how they have no lives and need to seek help. Yet now both of these guilds are willingly sitting large numbers of members in zones round the clock to call "dibs" on virtual loots. And it's suddenly okay and wonderful?

Here is what I gather is the reality: IB and DA are both okay with sacrificing the RL and in game time of their members to an extremely excessive degree to win at looting. In this I see both guilds as being equal. You guys can call each other douchebags and losers all you want but just about every insult flung at the opposing side could just as easily find a place where it originated. And yes I know there are special cases on both sides who exemplify all that there is to being a complete piece of shit.

That said, I think what you see here is the result of the fact that IB did it first, IB did it better, and IB has been doing it for a lot longer. The built up resentment for all things IB is lending the bullshit spewed by DA a degree of credibility it doesn't deserve. DA meets or exceeds the level of douchebaggery enacted by IB in every way possible and no matter how much either side spins it, neither one of you is the "good guy".

This doesn't mean I don't love all of you for providing me this drama to read when I am bored at work or looking for something to do while auctioning! Thank you ever so much for that!

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by jilena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find all this shit hilarious. I have grouped with people from just about every guild on this server on my cleric and my necro. I know nice people in DA, I know nice people in IB, I know nice people in Divinity, I know nice people in Trans, I know nice people in GC. And I have met people in every single one of these guilds who give off the impression that they would lie, cheat, exploit, train, ks, leapfrog, rape their mothers, spit on retarded kids, and probably sleep with those they loved knowing they had AIDS, if they thought it would let them collect more ph4tz.

I have read post after post of DA bashing the shit out of IB druids and rangers for sitting in zones waiting for mobs to spawn telling them how they have no lives and need to seek help. Yet now both of these guilds are willingly sitting large numbers of members in zones round the clock to call "dibs" on virtual loots. And it's suddenly okay and wonderful?

Here is what I gather is the reality: IB and DA are both okay with sacrificing the RL and in game time of their members to an extremely excessive degree to win at looting. In this I see both guilds as being equal. You guys can call each other douchebags and losers all you want but just about every insult flung at the opposing side could just as easily find a place where it originated. And yes I know there are special cases on both sides who exemplify all that there is to being a complete piece of shit.

That said, I think what you see here is the result of the fact that IB did it first, IB did it better, and IB has been doing it for a lot longer. The built up resentment for all things IB is lending the bullshit spewed by DA a degree of credibility it doesn't deserve. DA meets or exceeds the level of douchebaggery enacted by IB in every way possible and no matter how much either side spins it, neither one of you is the "good guy".

This doesn't mean I don't love all of you for providing me this drama to read when I am bored at work or looking for something to do while auctioning! Thank you ever so much for that!

Jilena I think the prime difference is that IB tries to do it within the rules and fairly. DA/FB, in my experience, will employ any tactic to win including lying, training, leapfrogging, and attempting to KS.

Since I've been a member of IB, there has been one instance I feel we made the wrong choice and that involved Maestro and Remedy. To this day I regret that we didn't communicate our intentions regardless of our reasons for doing so which were misdirected at best.

On the other hand, I can't count the times I've seen DA/FB as a whole and as individuals purposely mislead players and GMs alike, train raids and groups, and blatantly try to leapfrog multiple guilds.

While you're right that there isn't a "good guy" in this race, the attitudes and demeanor of many DA/FB posters on these forums speak volumes for the truly massive gap between us in terms of maturity.

As you said, the horror stories of IB destroying this server come almost 100% from the mouth of DA/FB members. Again, I'm not pretending we haven't had our dark moments, but surely you recognize a difference in attitude and demeanor between the two parties

[Destructo]

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jilena I think the prime difference is that IB tries to do it within the rules and fairly. DA/FB, in my experience, will employ any tactic to win including lying, training, leapfrogging, and attempting to KS.

Since I've been a member of IB, there has been one instance I feel we made the wrong choice and that involved Maestro and Remedy. To this day I regret that we didn't communicate our intentions regardless of our reasons for doing so which were misdirected at best.

On the other hand, I can't count the times I've seen DA/FB as a whole and as individuals purposely mislead players and GMs alike, train raids and groups, and blatantly try to leapfrog multiple guilds.

While you're right that there isn't a "good guy" in this race, the attitudes and demeanor of many DA/FB posters on these forums speak volumes for the truly massive gap between us in terms of maturity.

As you said, the horror stories of IB destroying this server come almost 100% from the mouth of DA/FB members. Again, I'm not pretending we haven't had our dark moments, but surely you recognize a difference in attitude and demeanor between the two parties

Cyrano I think the prime difference is that DA/FB tries to do it within the rules and fairly. IB, in my experience, will employ any tactic to win including lying, training, leapfrogging, and attempting to KS.

Since I've been a member of IB, there has been countless instances I feel we made the wrong choice and that involved every plane boss and guild on the server. To this day I regret that we didn't communicate our intentions regardless of our reasons for doing so which were wellplaced at best.

On the other hand, I can't count the times I've seen DA/FB as a whole and as individuals purposely own IB and make them QQ.

While you're right that there isn't a "good guy" in this race, the attitudes and demeanor of many IB posters on these forums speak volumes for the truly massive gap between us in terms of maturity.

As you said, the horror stories of IB destroying this server come almost 100% from the general population of the server. Again, I'm not pretending we haven't had our dark moments, but surely you recognize a difference between a human being and a retarded sad pathetic nerd raging cheese eating faggot.

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by Destructo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cyrano I think the prime difference is that DA/FB tries to do it within the rules and fairly.

BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Is this why other guilds all load fraps the second that a DA member comes anywhere near them?

the attitudes and demeanor of many IB posters on these forums speak volumes for the truly massive gap between us in terms of maturity.

I think this thread proved this, and we know in favour of whom.

the horror stories of IB destroying this server come almost 100% from the general population of the server.

Point me to some other than the Divinity corpse camping one, and the clusterfuck that was raid rotations? The general population doesn't have to deal with them for the most part. Almost every complaint found about them is from DA/FB people, cause apparently they constitute 100% of the general server population.

DA on the other hand? I have _personally_ seen some DA members willing to move in on camps, KS, and train people to death or out of zones, and have even been a victim of this more than one time.

[Phallax]

Ive only been in DA for bout 2 weeks now. So I really cant argue either side, but I can argue for the 2 weeks Ive been there. I havnt seen anything out of either side other than...camping. The thing I can argue is while leveling and grinding I read more shit about IB via global and the boards. Never anything about DA untill this thread. So I think the server speaks for this arguement and is why I decided to join DA.

As for maturity. Anyone with past gaming experience know that posting on the boards and especially the rants and flames section are completely different than game actions 90% of the time. Its rants and flames its meant to get out of hand and turn into a pissing contest.

Discuss things with me in game, ill be more than happy to have a legitimate discussion and hear both sides maturly. But in rants in flames, Im gonna have my fun.

[Erasong]

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ive only been in DA for bout 2 weeks now. So I really cant argue either side, but I can argue for the 2 weeks Ive been there. I havnt seen anything out of either side other than...camping. The thing I can argue is while leveling and grinding I read more shit about IB via global and the boards. Never anything about DA untill this thread. So I think the server speaks for this arguement and is why I decided to join DA.

As for maturity. Anyone with past gaming experience know that posting on the boards and especially the rants and flames section are completely different than game actions 90% of the time. Its rants and flames its meant to get out of hand and turn into a pissing contest.

Discuss things with me in game, ill be more than happy to have a legitimate discussion and hear both sides maturly. But in rants in flames, Im gonna have my fun.

DA wasnt around long enough to honestly compare to IB as far as flaming and word of mouth went. Fish Bait is the guild youd be looking for there.

Closing argument Point taken. this is indeed the R and F forum and it is different then in game.

[jilena]

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jilena I think the prime difference is that IB tries to do it within the rules and fairly. DA/FB, in my experience, will employ any tactic to win including lying, training, leapfrogging, and attempting to KS.

Since I've been a member of IB, there has been one instance I feel we made the wrong choice and that involved Maestro and Remedy. To this day I regret that we didn't communicate our intentions regardless of our reasons for doing so which were misdirected at best.

On the other hand, I can't count the times I've seen DA/FB as a whole and as individuals purposely mislead players and GMs alike, train raids and groups, and blatantly try to leapfrog multiple guilds.

While you're right that there isn't a "good guy" in this race, the attitudes and demeanor of many DA/FB posters on these forums speak volumes for the truly massive gap between us in terms of maturity.

As you said, the horror stories of IB destroying this server come almost 100% from the mouth of DA/FB members. Again, I'm not pretending we haven't had our dark moments, but surely you recognize a difference in attitude and demeanor between the two parties

Well I wouldn't say it's just DA/FB who have hate for IB even though recently they seem to comprise the vocal majority of it. I have seen nasty comments directed you guys way by several members of other guilds as well as individual players who have had little to no interraction with you guys on a regular basis. I will agree that a good part of this could probably just be envy as you guys have been on top for a good while. I would guess though that some of it is also from people who have had a bad experience with you guys even if it's just you taking the raid target they wanted *shrug*

I have had a few "nuke first and sort it out later" experiences with IB members involving farming loot, but I have not had one where the sorting out part wasn't handled well. I have also seen IB members being somewhat rude while PLing in dungeons. Of course on the flip side in similar experiences with DA members they flat out lied to me about what they "saw" me doing and called me a liar for claiming rights to the camp I had been holding before they got there. *shrug*

In all honesty in my direct personal experience the IB members I have interracted with as a whole have been nicer, more considerate, and more helpful than anyone I have encountered in any other guild on this server. That said I have been in a serious business raiding guild before and you don't get to the top by being sweet and nice and innocent. The take what you want and fuck everyone else attitude is pretty much a requirement to remain in that position. So I will find it extremely hard to believe that IB has never exploited, KSed, leapfrogged, trained, etc when it was to their advantage and they thought they could get away with it.

BUTTTT.... To deny that DA is even more likely to do these things is ridiculous. Every single officer from every single guild (obv not counting IB) that raids that I have spoken with has claimed direct experience with DA people being douchebags doing everything from training, leapfrogging, etc to purposely porting members of their guild out of the zone and laughing about it afterward. No one has any reason to make ALL of this shit up. You guys haven't been around long enough to generate the kind of hate you receive through envy. One of the funniest things I have ever seen on here was some noob in NFP asking Daverick "Hey aren't you that guy everyone hates for training and KSing and being an asshole?! How did you get in a big guild like DA?!" Those of you new to the guild may have no experience with this as I think the value of this sort of asshattery has diminished a good deal now that you can just sit for days to win. *shrug*

One last thing. Whatever shit is talked about Raren in this thread, he is easily one of the nicer people I have met on this server and has always acted honorably even in situations where he could have easily have "stolen" an FBSS from me without breaking a single rule. Whether or not he is a skilled player I don't know I haven't really grouped with him, whether or not he has misplaced hate for IB because of his supposed rejection, again I don't know. Him being an asshole however has never been my experience.