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[SirAlvarex]

If EQ weren't such a level/gear dependent game, I'd love the "role-playing" aspect of PVP. But as it is now it's hard to compete with anyone unless you put a lot of time into your characters. Like, a *lot* of time.

[Tr0llb0rn]

Originally Posted by SirAlvarex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If EQ weren't such a level/gear dependent game, I'd love the "role-playing" aspect of PVP. But as it is now it's hard to compete with anyone unless you put a lot of time into your characters. Like, a *lot* of time.

Not true, browse through all the screenshots in the red section showing kills by undergeared players on geared players.

Gear is not everything, opportunity, strategy, some luck, etc all play a part.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by SirAlvarex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If WoW weren't such a level/gear dependent game, I'd love the "role-playing" aspect of PVP. But as it is now it's hard to compete with anyone unless you put a lot of time into your characters. Like, a *lot* of time.

Fixt.


EQ is much less gear-dependent on the whole than most mmos.

[Arillious]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fixt.


EQ is much less gear-dependent on the whole than most mmos.

In classic for sure. The advantage that raid gear gives in classic is very small when compared to other easily farmable or purchasable gear.

Everquest pvp starts becoming more gear dependent with Kunark and even more so in Velious.

[lawll]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fixt.


EQ is much less gear-dependent on the whole than most mmos.

Even tho EQ started the loot race in modern mmos. Also try to pvp as a melee without a lot of MR and then tell me how gear-dependent this game is.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by lawll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even tho EQ started the loot race in modern mmos. Also try to pvp as a melee without a lot of MR and then tell me how gear-dependent this game is.

Lemme repeat so I don't get another poor response to a point I wasn't making.

On the whole, EQ is far less gear dependent than other mmos. Especially in a PvP setting.

Now take a fresh max-level character in EQ and compare a max-level character who has had time to gear up in terms of their PvP potential. Do the same for other MMOs. The relevance of your attempt to find the most extreme case vanishes when compared to its greater context.

Try to PvP as a Fresh 80 vs a geared 80 in WoW pvp - as any class, melee or whatever (as your example is limited to pure melee vs caster) - then come back and tell me how gear-dependent EQ is. This is probably true of any modern MMOs because later MMOs made more strongly defined gear stratification at the higher levels. EQ did this poorly because it was the first to do it - the reward you get for your work is far less, and therefore most people prefer the WoW-style easy gratification MMO, because a well-geared 80 stomps the daylights out of a fresh 80 without any effort or skill.

In EQ, the game doesn't begin at max-level because the upgrades really don't make as much a difference in terms of raw power. You are likely still using items that you could acquire in your 20s, 30s and 40s (runed bone fork, Sarnak Emblazoned Tabard, etc cheap resist gear). That's why your example sucks anyhow.

[Tr0llb0rn]

Originally Posted by SirAlvarex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never played WoW PVP. The only MMORPG PVP I played was in DAOC, and I loved that (didn't play Secrets of Atlantis...or whatever it was that added UBER RR's).

I could see classic EQ being fairly fair PVP wise. But Kunark? Twinked Monks, people with Fungi's? I'm just not seeing how anyone could stand a chance against a twinked Kunarkian melee.

and then...

Originally Posted by lawll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even tho EQ started the loot race in modern mmos. Also try to pvp as a melee without a lot of MR and then tell me how gear-dependent this game is.

One post about unstopable kunark melee, the next about how gimp the melee is without stacked up MR. That pretty much illustrates that power is always in the eye of the beholder.

On red99, every class has their roles and is competitive in pvp. Especially thanks to Null's well thought out resist system. Its very balanced so that there wont ever be this HUGE imbalance between melee and caster.

So set yourself free and play what you want.

[lawll]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lemme repeat so I don't get another poor response to a point I wasn't making.

On the whole, EQ is far less gear dependent than other mmos. Especially in a PvP setting.

Now take a fresh max-level character in EQ and compare a max-level character who has had time to gear up in terms of their PvP potential. Do the same for other MMOs. The relevance of your attempt to find the most extreme case vanishes when compared to its greater context.

So your telling me a caster in cloth would stand a chance against a 200+ MR melee? It's also not like you can just roll out in pve gear and own everyone. You need the right set of gear for pvp to even stand a chance to anyone unless it's like pvp below level 40. In wow any pvp under the max level gear doesn't matter much also. So yes anything BUT endgame pvp gear doesn't mean anything at all.


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Also just the fact that a melee needs high MR to stand a chance to any caster makes endgame pvp very gear dependent. Being rooted and snared every 5sec isn't what I call fair pvp so now I need to farm up MR so I can even get a hit in.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by lawll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your telling me a caster in cloth would stand a chance against a 200+ MR melee? It's also not like you can just roll out in pve gear and own everyone. You need the right set of gear for pvp to even stand a chance to anyone unless it's like pvp below level 40. In wow any pvp under the max level gear doesn't matter much also. So yes anything BUT endgame pvp gear doesn't mean anything at all.


EDIT:
Also just the fact that a melee needs high MR to stand a chance to any caster makes endgame pvp very gear dependent. Being rooted and snared every 5sec isn't what I call fair pvp so now I need to farm up MR so I can even get a hit in.

Casters have to use what they can to their advantage. You usually want to be able to at least start casting your spells while you aren't being hit. The chance of breaking casting is pretty low (5% chance to push per hit and channeling still recovers), especially if your melee opponent is wielding a 2h or doesn't have spell haste. Casters can always outdps a melee if they are getting their spells off. You have to use your environment, stand in the right places like corners or elevated areas using levitate. Also, casters have even more chances on red as with a full set of mr gear, you still get rooted once in a while. Hopefully Null will come to understand that a good caster that uses the tactics above doesn't need to land roots on an melee who sacrificed all their dps (50-100 str) to boost their MR to 120.

Beyond that, you just have to know the limitations of your class. If you are outdoors, a melee that gets jumped by a caster is at a disadvantage. Indoors, its vice versa.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by lawll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In wow any pvp under the max level gear doesn't matter much also. So yes anything BUT endgame pvp gear doesn't mean anything at all.

Huh?

I could give my pally heirloom set to a blind kid with no hands and he would kill most players in the lower brackets just by breathing on them. Or my hunter stuff. Or just the gun. Etc etc.