Suggestions For Wizards

[Messianic]

It's not that they're not helpful or lazy - those are more player characteristics than class characteristics.

It's that they can't do anything at all which effectively acts as a force multiplier for a group. Their sustained DPS blows. Stuns aren't all that necessary or comparatively useful if the rest of the group is decent, and are a pretty huge manasink if you're doing anything except Tishan's clash. Even rangers have root, and do a good deal more sustained DPS. AoE nuking is almost never appropriate in a traditional, non-AoE group. Shadow step/Yonder are rather pointless unless you're in a hallway or really safe environment already; if you pull aggro, using those spells is one of the worst things you can do for your tank. Snare is adequate.

Basically, if you're looking for a 6th member, every single other class is a better choice, players being equal or player quality being unknown.

[Houdiny]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not that they're not helpful or lazy - those are more player characteristics than class characteristics.

It's that they can't do anything at all which effectively acts as a force multiplier for a group. Their sustained DPS blows. Stuns aren't all that necessary or comparatively useful if the rest of the group is decent, and are a pretty huge manasink if you're doing anything except Tishan's clash. Even rangers have root, and do a good deal more sustained DPS. AoE nuking is almost never appropriate in a traditional, non-AoE group. Shadow step/Yonder are rather pointless unless you're in a hallway or really safe environment already; if you pull aggro, using those spells is one of the worst things you can do for your tank. Snare is adequate.

Basically, if you're looking for a 6th member, every single other class is a better choice, players being equal or player quality being unknown.

Disagree completely with this. You are entitled to your opinion of course, no matter how wrong it may be. I was consistently on top of parses in my guild on live. The only other threat to me was another Wiz that I was RL friends with. And this was the case for every expansion that I ever played in. And for the record I don't have problems finding a group. I actually have people sending me tells for groups when I am not even in LFG.

I will be the first to admit the Wizard class if often not played to its fullest extent. But don't bash on an entire class of players because you ran into a few bad ones. A good Wizard is great dps and saying otherwise is just fooling yourself.

Sure if the only DPS in the group is a Wizard then DPS is going to suffer. But if there is legitimate DPS in the group already a Wizard multiplies that greatly.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Houdiny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was consistently on top of parses in my guild on live. The only other threat to me was another Wiz that I was RL friends with.

Are you talking in group experience situations or raid?

[Houdiny]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you talking in group experience situations or raid?

Raid, and it wasn't on every fight. Some fights are tailored for some DPS more than others. And Wizards aren't the best DPS for every fight, I realize that. But to say they are the most worthless as a DPS class is showing a moderate lack of EQ IQ

[Ladytron]

A good wizard can tell things like this and knows what is best for which circumstance.

/thread

[theaetatus]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically, if you're looking for a 6th member, every single other class is a better choice, players being equal or player quality being unknown.

Not really.. I'd take a wiz over a ranger, mage, druid or necro for dps, or a second tank or CC class, even over a 2nd monk or rogue if we needed some stuns, snares or root parking, or over a 1st monk or rogue if I knew the wiz was decent and we already had some melee dps.