Most solid duo for Kunark and Velious

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

JBBs suck.

Let's give a class with infinite mana and able to do a lot in a short amount of time a long cast low damage mana free clicky.

They're decent for powerleveling < 60 though.

JBB is redonkulous. Someone doesnt know the power of a manaless nuke, the 8 sec cast is basically 8 secs of slight mana regen, and come velious with FT is another thing. A shaman, in theory, is going to be slow+torpor tanking thus neglecting chain cani. So the JBB click is $$. Trust me Ive played shaman since live classic all the way thru Omens, i love the class, pick shaman in any game that offers it because of thier versatility.

[Reiker]

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

JBB is redonkulous. Someone doesnt know the power of a manaless nuke, the 8 sec cast is basically 8 secs of slight mana regen, and come velious with FT is another thing. A shaman, in theory, is going to be slow+torpor tanking thus neglecting chain cani. So the JBB click is $$. Trust me Ive played shaman since live classic all the way thru Omens, i love the class, pick shaman in any game that offers it because of thier versatility.

Not trying to turn this into a pissing match, but I've also played a shaman for years and you don't know what you're talking about. Why click a JBB when you can be doing so much other important shit? JBB is 263 damage iirc. You can cast a fucking gimp dot like Ebolt in half the time and do 3.75 times more damage for 200 mana.

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not trying to turn this into a pissing match, but I've also played a shaman for years and you don't know what you're talking about. Why click a JBB when you can be doing so much other important shit? JBB is 263 damage iirc. You can cast a fucking gimp dot like Ebolt in half the time and do 3.75 times more damage for 200 mana.

Thats mana that can be spent on a slow or torpor. Free casting is the best thing ever...Theres really no discussion about it. In kunark and velios JBB is near priceless. Ill admit with the way the game works post-Velious with AAs, gear, new spells etc that JBB starts to lose its worth but this is classic, not Luclin+

[martigan1983]

2 cleric dwarves is the best duo.


infinite free beer clicky !!!!

[Hiragawa]

Originally Posted by martigan1983 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 cleric dwarves is the best duo.


infinite free beer clicky !!!!

I take back everything I've said in this thread. ^.~ :P

[Reiker]

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats mana that can be spent on a slow or torpor. Free casting is the best thing ever...Theres really no discussion about it. In kunark and velios JBB is near priceless. Ill admit with the way the game works post-Velious with AAs, gear, new spells etc that JBB starts to lose its worth but this is classic, not Luclin+

Explain to me why it's beneficial to do minimal damage for no mana as opposed to much better damage for a small amount of mana that can easily be made up over a few seconds of torpor + canni spamming? I agree, a mana free nuke would be amazing to any other class but doesn't really benefit a class with virtually unlimited mana, with the fastest mana regen in the game by far.

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Explain to me why it's beneficial to do minimal damage for no mana as opposed to much better damage for a small amount of mana that can easily be made up over a few seconds of torpor + canni spamming? I agree, a mana free nuke would be amazing to any other class but doesn't really benefit a class with virtually unlimited mana, with the fastest mana regen in the game by far.

Even tho you claimed to have played a shaman, you obviously never soloed anything worth while...Its pointless trying to proove my point to someone thats only seeing things their way and refuse to open their mind to other aspect.

Shaman dots are far from being "small amounts of mana" atm our best dots cost 300 mana, thats pretty steep to a 2k mana pool which Im gonna guess is average for most shaman atm. When soloing stuff worth while, it takes awhile and youre getting your ass pounded in the process, chain cani isnt much of an otion, you cani when you can afford it but you dont chain cani. Even when DUOing shamans take a good portion of dmg and DoTing isnt efficient as healing your partner to do the dmg.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Explain to me why it's beneficial to do minimal damage for no mana as opposed to much better damage for a small amount of mana that can easily be made up over a few seconds of torpor + canni spamming? I agree, a mana free nuke would be amazing to any other class but doesn't really benefit a class with virtually unlimited mana, with the fastest mana regen in the game by far.

chain cannibalizing while soloing something difficult isn't a great idea. That in itself wastes time. The way a shaman soloed things that were high HP and an extreme level of difficulty usually resulted in them healing themselves with torpor, having a proc wep equipped and using the JBB while timing when it is that the mob has the next swing as to not be interrupted. DoT's, with perhaps exception of the plague line, weren't usually used. It was essentially a 15minute fight that's very safe, as opposed to making it a 5minute endeavor where you're not sure whether or not you'll have enough mana to finish it off.

JBB was mostly used when root rotting. if you didn't want to get hit by it's melee you can simply slow, DoT, root and click jbb - reapply root.

It was never necessary, and there were far better choices in equipment for a shaman, but it did allow a certain degree of freedom in a shammy's style of play. But keep in mind that shammies solo capabilities are heavily influenced by their gear. You're not a mage, where you can essentially do the same things with or without gear. It's a class that requires a LOT of plat to support and can be time-consuming and often very frustrating to level.

The reason shammies make great duo partners is because they're so dang versatile. Even in classic I can quad-root specs at lvl 44 (gotta have quite a bit of mana though -- around 190 wis not counting +mana gear). Just running around I've seen many different shammy playstyles, though I may not agree with some, it doesn't mean that it's flat-out wrong. With the various spells and roles you can pair them with almost any class and do quite well.

My one worry is to see an increase of shaman twinks running around. By far the main reason they were so valuable was because they weren't overplayed. A single shaman in a group can fulfill many roles, but as soon as you have two it's a serious hindrance. On raid situations it was usually 2-3 shamans, with one taking care of buffs and the other(s) on slow/malise/debuffs, and that was with 40-50 people per raid.

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My one worry is to see an increase of shaman twinks running around.

I agree with everything else you posted but, at the risk of jacking my own thread, I would worry more about other class twinks running around, honestly. LOL

There are loads of shaman on p99, but there are shitloads of enchanters and bards. "Bad" shaman are usually just lazy and a waste of a group slot. Bad bards and enchanters are a detriment to themselves and others, in and out of groups. I've encountered maybe two or three of each so far that weren't. I don't know how it is past 30, but if I see more than a piece or two of lambent on a bard when I get in a group with my warrior main, I literally cringe.

There are notable exceptions, of course, but in my 8-9 years of EQ since release on blue servers, red servers, new servers, old servers, etc, I've never seen a collection of so many shit bard twinks in one place as on this server, with enchanters right behind them.

[Kluren]

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