The extinction of the human race

[Goobles]

Originally Posted by bionicbadger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its not like the extinction of the human race would be a big loss. The planet would be better off without humans

500 years without humans, and it would look like Pandora. Without all the sci fi shit, obv.

[stormlord]

The earth is a fkin spaceship. Things need to operate normally. It's leaking oil. Need to fix it. The vast circle of life is just a roundabout way of giving us an atmosphere, water, food, air, natural wonders and security. But just like a spaceship, the earth isn't impenetrable, or infallible either. We gotta keep it in good shape.

I'm assuming we own it and thus it's our property. Do we co-own it possible or maybe we don't even own it at all? Is there any way to know? Fuk that. I say we own it. And we gotta fix it too.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm assuming we own it and thus it's our property. Do we co-own it possible or maybe we don't even own it at all? Is there any way to know? Fuk that. I say we own it. And we gotta fix it too.

We can be like benevolent gods to other animals, or we can be gods of destruction. If the latter part ends up winning, we better build a fucking monolith on the moon imo cuz we lose, GG human race. At least in 65 million years when some monkey-lizard ends up on the moon, they can see a picture that tells "Hi, we were the human race, dont fuck up like we did"

[stormlord]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We can be like benevolent gods to other animals, or we can be gods of destruction. If the latter part ends up winning, we better build a fucking monolith on the moon imo cuz we lose, GG human race. At least in 65 million years when some monkey-lizard ends up on the moon, they can see a picture that tells "Hi, we were the human race, dont fuck up like we did"

Hey you know, WTF do I care about a dolphin on this planet. I want to leave this sh**hole and live in a nebula or a giant asteroid like darth vader or in a double star system on a lifeless blue moon. When we're able to travel cheaply between planets and stars, nobody is going to be concerned with the fking animals on this planet except the same people who have always worried about them. You know, the peta members, the farmers, the animal lovers? We won't be any more godly than we're now. We just won't live here anymore.

We should be working to get out of here, not to baby this place like an ageless caretaker. We were meant to expand and explore. The few people who stay behind to be caretakers are not the majority.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We should be working to get out of here, not to baby this place like an ageless caretaker. We were meant to expand and explore. The few people who stay behind to be caretakers are not the majority.

I also think we should be working on exploring space, but we still have probably a couple of centuries left before that happens, and right now the chances of surviving those few centuries look slimer with each day that passes by. All our eggs are in a basket called earth, and im not sure what kind of catastrophic event its gonna take for humanity to get its shit together.

Religion sure doesnt help by pushing this toxic idea that its all in god's plan, and that what matters is this hypothetic afterlife, not what we have here right now. Some apocalyptic christians for example not only think that rapture is coming, they are actively working toward making it happen.

Heres a great hour and a half documentary on apocalyptic nuts if anyone is interested:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5521791525424#

Yes, im ranting.

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All our eggs are in a basket called earth, and im not sure what kind of catastrophic event its gonna take for humanity to get its shit together.

Actually, you're taking the environmentalists at their word that things are getting worse. In reality, if you look at the trends (rather than cherry picking short durations like they do) things have improved in most areas since the movement started in the 70s. The environmental lobby is BIG MONEY and, like all things, they need to stay on the doom and gloom message or the money pipe will slow to a trickle.

Sure there are setbacks (like the BP debacle, and for me the jury is still out on Global Warming) but the news is good on most fronts - read "The Skeptical Environmentalist" or see this Wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ske...vironmentalist

Very controversial work, but makes a lot of sense that the scientists are chasing their grants and the environmentalists are chasing their donations, so it's understandable that the opposition has been fierce, but the work has stood up to scrutiny.

Regards,
Mg

[stormlord]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also think we should be working on exploring space, but we still have probably a couple of centuries left before that happens, and right now the chances of surviving those few centuries look slimer with each day that passes by. All our eggs are in a basket called earth, and im not sure what kind of catastrophic event its gonna take for humanity to get its shit together.

Religion sure doesnt help by pushing this toxic idea that its all in god's plan, and that what matters is this hypothetic afterlife, not what we have here right now. Some apocalyptic christians for example not only think that rapture is coming, they are actively working toward making it happen.

Heres a great hour and a half documentary on apocalyptic nuts if anyone is interested:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5521791525424#

Yes, im ranting.

Sadly, you're correct. Religious zealots see most big disasters, even human-caused, as a confirmation that the arrogance of mankind is bottomless. It only deepens their faith and resentment towards the original sin committed by adam and eve. In the past, disasters were seen as a sign of gods wrath. Now, increasingly, they're seen as a sign that the end times are near. I think the idea that humans might one day leave earth soon, or that the earth could be destroyed by humans alone, is reason enough for most religious extremists to suspect that something is up, something big, at least in their crazy swiss cheese mind.

Imho, the bible is a 2000 year old rule book. It might have worked 2000 years ago, but it doesn't work in the 21st century. The 3 major monotheistic religions, which also tend to be the most intolerant, are: judaism, christianity, islam. They're all based on the bible in one form or another - there's just 3 different versions, but it's thrown together like patchwork. Each one considers itself correct, without any room for error. Each one has extremists that go on radio shows or tv shows and talk about the end times and how there's going to be a big war in the middle east. Believe it or not, they ALL say that. Is that what they actually want?

Of all religions, I prefer those that're pagan. That's because they recognize multitudes of gods and, predictably, are usually more tolerant of other people. In the globalized world we live in, you must be tolerant of others beliefs and values. It's increasingly important. Intolerance creates division, and division denies government the ability to govern effectively. Sooner or later, one side or the other will strike back.

North vs South. Black vs White. Holy vs Unholy.

For a taste of christian zealotry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig

I've seen the same sh** in judaism and islam. I've seen islamist extremists dancing with joy, screaming death to america, death to israel. Iran's leader is a psycho that believes he spoke with god and that he might bring about the coming of Hadhrat Isa. I've seen israeli settlers, that establish communities in what're essentially illegal settlements, riot for the total annihilation of arabs and invasion of their lands. They all wear a different color, wield a different flag, but they see the same thing: armageddon. These religions, the big three, interpret the bible differently, with predictable results. Essentially, the results favor them, their beliefs and values.

[Omnimorph]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nobody is going to be concerned with the fking animals on this planet except the same people who have always worried about them. You know, the peta members, the farmers, the animal lovers?

Farmers don't really care about animals, they care about money [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Goobles]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The earth is a fkin spaceship. Things need to operate normally. It's leaking oil. Need to fix it. ....... I
'm assuming we own it and thus it's our property. Do we co-own it possible or maybe we don't even own it at all? Is there any way to know? Fuk that. I say we own it. And we gotta fix it too.

This quote is amazing, adding it to my signature.

[stormlord]

Originally Posted by Goobles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

500 years without humans, and it would look like Pandora. Without all the sci fi shit, obv.

Ya, I saw that on the history channel. Life after people.

I had a physics class where we were drilled about overpopulation. How it would solve most of our problems if we stopped having so many kids. The problem is predominantly one that less developed countries have to cope with. The more educated people have less children. If you look at the earth as a spaceship, that has requirements and limits, then it's not such a commie idea to consider soft population control as acceptable. Best way to go about doing it without draconian measures is to give the developing a countries a leg up so that their poorer population can get educated. What should follow is reduced population growth.