Americans and Guns (post pics of your armory !)

[Harmonium]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and it does nothing to speak of the facts and statistics behind gun violence.

Please refer to my previous post for some statistics behind gun violence.

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Harmonium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please refer to my previous post for some statistics behind gun violence.

Originally Posted by Harmonium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In fact, homicide, assault, rape, and robbery are dramatically lower in areas of the United States where the public is allowed easy access to carrying concealed firearms in public.

That's because the types of places that start adopting concealed carry laws and gun restrictions are also the types of places that have high rates of homicide, assault, rape, and robbery.

And you are using statistics from a self-report survey, the National Self Defense Survey? You know how many biases are tainting that data? You may not be aware of this, but the field of Criminology has a relatively low level scientific integrity compared to other fields. You have to be very careful about your sources in this area.

[Harmonium]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's because the types of places that start adopting concealed carry laws and gun restrictions are also the types of places that have high rates of homicide, assault, rape, and robbery.

So.. your saying that places with high rates of homicide, assault, rape, and robbery that allow their law abiding citizens to conceal carry see a drastic reduction in said crimes? This is a good thing, no?

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you are using statistics from a self-report survey, the National Self Defense Survey? You know how many biases are tainting that data? You may not be aware of this, but the field of Criminology has a relatively low level scientific integrity compared to other fields. You have to be very careful about your sources in this area.

Previous statistic sources (posted again for your pleasure)

Source: U.S. Department of Justice
Source: Northwestern University School of Law
Source: University of Chicago Law School
Source: The American Journal of Psychiatry March
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Gun control activists were unhappy with the National Self Defense Survey's results, which show that "Every 13 seconds an American gun owner uses a firearm in defense against a criminal."

In a 1994 TV news taping, Handgun Control, Inc.’s, spokesman, Sandy Cooney, called the National Self Defense Survey “obscene” and threw ad hominem slurs at its lead researcher, professor of criminology, Dr. Gary Kleck. Since Kleck is an impartial social scientist with no links to gun advocates or manufacturers — in fact he’s a liberal Democrat — it appears that Kleck’s only sin was doing research which produced results that challenged the gun-control agenda of Handgun Control, Inc., the "Million" Moms, and similar organizations.

So, to refute the results of the National Self Defense Survey, two pro-gun-control researchers, Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig, were given funding by the Clinton administration's Department of Justice to do their own survey of Defensive Gun Uses, to attempt to prove that the National Self Defense Survey's estimate was too high.

Unfortunately for advocates of gun control, the Cook-Ludwig survey produced results about the same as the National Self Defense Survey and -- in one remarkable paragraph -- suggested that their methodology was too conservative and that the Defensive Gun Use figure could even be doubled:

"Because respondents were asked to describe only their most recent defensive gun use, our comparisons are conservative, as they assume only one defensive gun use per defender. ...Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs."

Source: The National Institute of Justice, in its survey Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms by Philip J. Cook and Jens Ludwig.