Americans and Guns (post pics of your armory !)

[Alawen]

What you're attempting to do is maintain your point with rhetoric. You have no evidence except to back up anything you've said. None of the statistics change when the suicides are removed. You are still left with more guns, more gun violence, more violence against young people, more violence against women, more violence in the states with more guns, more violence than any other developed country.

Quibbling about what you perceive as skewed evidence with no evidence to back you up leaves your argument vapid. The UPenn study is based on statistics from the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics, the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting system, the DOJ's National Crime Victimization Survery and the National Electronic Injury Surveillance System. You've got nothing. If you actually read it, you might learn something.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you're attempting to do is maintain your point with rhetoric. You have no evidence except to back up anything you've said. None of the statistics change when the suicides are removed. You are still left with more guns, more gun violence, more violence against young people, more violence against women, more violence in the states with more guns, more violence than any other developed country.

Quibbling about what you perceive as skewed evidence with no evidence to back you up leaves your argument vapid. The UPenn study is based on statistics from the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics, the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting system, the DOJ's National Crime Victimization Survery and the National Electronic Injury Surveillance System. You've got nothing. If you actually read it, you might learn something.

I'm not doing research to appease your failed research. It is clear that you used statistics that included suicide rates. Those same suicide statistics are now being called violence by you (further misusing your facts). I'm not going to debate with someone that can't see the fault in that. I don't need to read it anymore, it clearly stated suicides as part of the study and mentions only death by firearms, not homicides.

There are many places where firearms have been required of residents and the populations have not only increased but crime decreased as well. If you're so hard up for researching, take a moment to check it out. The only thing I can tell is that the "gun control" that the government is doing now isn't working and they won't to do more "gun control" because of how effective it's been so far. I'm not sure about you, but the last time I did something and it failed, I didn't keep doing it hoping for a better result.

You can keep pushing those violent suicide crimes tho. I am getting a good chuckle out of that.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not doing research to appease your failed research. It is clear that you used statistics that included suicide rates. Those same suicide statistics are now being called violence by you (further misusing your facts). I'm not going to debate with someone that can't see the fault in that. I don't need to read it anymore, it clearly stated suicides as part of the study and mentions only death by firearms, not homicides.

There are many places where firearms have been required of residents and the populations have not only increased but crime decreased as well. If you're so hard up for researching, take a moment to check it out. The only thing I can tell is that the "gun control" that the government is doing now isn't working and they won't to do more "gun control" because of how effective it's been so far. I'm not sure about you, but the last time I did something and it failed, I didn't keep doing it hoping for a better result.

You can keep pushing those violent suicide crimes tho. I am getting a good chuckle out of that.

It's pretty obvious that you didn't even glance at the report, with its clear infographics displaying homicides and suicides by state. I do hope that it's not your kid who shoots himself with your gun.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's pretty obvious that you didn't even glance at the report, with its clear infographics displaying homicides and suicides by state. I do hope that it's not your kid who shoots himself with your gun.

I didn't glance at the report, you're correct. I specifically replied to you and how you were using the report.

My kid will not shoot himself with my gun, no ones kid will and no one will use my gun on anyone else without my consent. You can try to twist this around on me, but it won't work. I have been brought up to respect guns and to know what they are for, not to carry around as some toy or to impress retards. You can fear guns every day, force the general population to dismantle their firearms, pass every law you can think of to restrict guns, but you will never lose that fear guns hold on you.

I don't think I'll save the world with my single pistol, however I am confident I will have the ability to save myself (possibly even others at the cost of myself). Where as your laws will never be able to stop someone with a gun once they've started firing on people.

[Turp]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you're attempting to do is maintain your point with rhetoric. You have no evidence except to back up anything you've said. None of the statistics change when the suicides are removed. You are still left with more guns, more gun violence, more violence against young people, more violence against women, more violence in the states with more guns, more violence than any other developed country.

Quibbling about what you perceive as skewed evidence with no evidence to back you up leaves your argument vapid. The UPenn study is based on statistics from the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics, the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting system, the DOJ's National Crime Victimization Survery and the National Electronic Injury Surveillance System. You've got nothing. If you actually read it, you might learn something.

Please post Evidence of Gun control making crime rate go down. You've got nothing except establishment gun grabbing bullshit, the Attorney General Eric Holder is on TV saying we need to brain wash people into gun control, does not mean its evidence, spewing DoJ FBI Bullshit is not evidence, i linked the numbers an stated a quick fact its up to you to actually do research, prove me wrong an show me where gun control has helped crime rate and "gun violence" decrease. And to keep with the thread [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]