Americans and Guns (post pics of your armory !)

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off, the theater is not as dark as you imply. If it was, the survivor recount stories you read wouldn't tell in such great detail where the guy was standing and moving around. I've read plenty of them and they all mentioned watching the guy as he went up and down the aisles.

Secondly, even if it was as dark and smokey as you imply, you could locate within 3 feet of him where he is at by muzzle fire. I know for a fact you can and anyone that has ever seen a gun fired at night (foggy or not) will know this. With a revolver and 6 rounds, any person that is worth a shit with their firearm would have dropped this retard.

Lastly, as you are now thinking of his tactical gear, let me go ahead and tell you it fucking hurts to get hit by a round in a vest. That is a round to the chest, it would hurt even more so on any other body part. He will drop to the ground like a sack of potatoes, you can possibly even kill him depending on the caliber of your gun if you hit him in the vest.

Yes, if someone in that movie theater were armed and not killed before they were able to comprehend the situation, they probably could have stopped him after a mere two dozen or so casualties.

That's such backward thinking, though. In the event of a one-in-a-million atrocity, yes, it's better to have multiple armed retards. For the other 999,999 atrocity-less viewings, some moron civilian carrying a gun everywhere he goes only opens the door to negative outcomes.

The problem with the pro-gun crowd, if you'll grant that there's a problem, is that you have entirely too much faith in the general population (including yourselves). I have a hard enough time trusting your garden variety idiot to serve me coffee without spilling it on my dick. Naturally, I'd prefer they not be armed with a killing machine.

And for some reason, the pro-gun crowd thinks they're going to be able to save themselves from the rest of the idiots with guns by possessing a gun themselves. That's not how it works. I'm sure plenty of people in that movie theater own guns. They didn't have them at the time. I'm also sure that at least a dozen, probably more, of the casualties could have had guns on them and it wouldn't have mattered because they were already shot by the time they had any idea what the fuck was going on.

tl;dr -- the average human being is entirely too stupid to be trusted with a gun.

[Turp]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tl;dr -- the average human being is entirely too stupid to be trusted with a gun.

Lol sadly it does not work like that, thinking like that will just get civilians disarmed, but you know who gets to keep guns when a nationwide gun ban happens? Criminals an cops, an since the criminals know your not armed than crime rate spikes (in some cases 4x) insanely, this is a proven fact just look at any country with gun laws. Guns dont kill people thats like saying cars kill people an cars are always #1 every year for unnatural cause of deaths...so we should all be banned from driving? illogical thinking there. What needs to happen is this guy get punished with death, it was the guy, not the gun.
The damn guy had tear gas canisters which are not legally available at your local gun shop, they are banned yet he still got them, Plenty of gangs etc have automatic weapons an grenades even an there not legal, Banning anything does not do shit but disarm good people an the "bad/mental" ones get more out of control because of it.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, if someone in that movie theater were armed and not killed before they were able to comprehend the situation, they probably could have stopped him after a mere two dozen or so casualties.

That's such backward thinking, though. In the event of a one-in-a-million atrocity, yes, it's better to have multiple armed retards. For the other 999,999 atrocity-less viewings, some moron civilian carrying a gun everywhere he goes only opens the door to negative outcomes.

The problem with the pro-gun crowd, if you'll grant that there's a problem, is that you have entirely too much faith in the general population (including yourselves). I have a hard enough time trusting your garden variety idiot to serve me coffee without spilling it on my dick. Naturally, I'd prefer they not be armed with a killing machine.

And for some reason, the pro-gun crowd thinks they're going to be able to save themselves from the rest of the idiots with guns by possessing a gun themselves. That's not how it works. I'm sure plenty of people in that movie theater own guns. They didn't have them at the time. I'm also sure that at least a dozen, probably more, of the casualties could have had guns on them and it wouldn't have mattered because they were already shot by the time they had any idea what the fuck was going on.

tl;dr -- the average human being is entirely too stupid to be trusted with a gun.

Hmm, I totally forgot how carrying a gun makes you more likely to be shot before someone that isn't carrying a gun.

You know who the idiot is in your situation? The one who thinks the guys with guns are idiots and chose not to carry because he is more intelligent.

Your entire post is fucking stupid. If anyone was too retarded to pour coffee, it would definitely be you.

[Alawen]

Aside from the heroes all coming here to claim that if they'd been there packing it would have somehow helped, here are some actual facts.

Approximately 32,000 Americans die each year from firearms. By percentage, that's more than twice the death rate of any other developed country and eight times the average of all developed countries combined. The incidence of death by firearm in the United States is about 70 times the rate of that in developed Asian countries. The United States also has more guns per capita than other developed country.

The five states with the most firearm deaths are five of the most heavily armed: Alabama, Mississippi, Lousiana, Alaska and Nevada. More Americans die from suicide by firearm than from homicide. Young people aged 15-24 are the overwhelming majority of death by firearm. In most countries, the majority of shooting victims are male, but the United States has the highest incidence of women being shot.

The idea of more guns being the solution apparently appeals to people who like guns, but none of the facts point to that being true. Where there are more guns, more people die from guns. Where there are more pencils, people do more writing.

Source: http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/ficap/reso...ection%201.pdf

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aside from the heroes all coming here to claim that if they'd been there packing it would have somehow helped, here are some actual facts.

Approximately 32,000 Americans die each year from firearms. By percentage, that's more than twice the death rate of any other developed country and eight times the average of all developed countries combined. The incidence of death by firearm in the United States is about 70 times the rate of that in developed Asian countries. The United States also has more guns per capita than other developed country.

The five states with the most firearm deaths are five of the most heavily armed: Alabama, Mississippi, Lousiana, Alaska and Nevada. More Americans die from suicide by firearm than from homicide. Young people aged 15-24 are the overwhelming majority of death by firearm. In most countries, the majority of shooting victims are male, but the United States has the highest incidence of women being shot.

The idea of more guns being the solution apparently appeals to people who like guns, but none of the facts point to that being true. Where there are more guns, more people die from guns. Where there are more pencils, people do more writing.

Source: http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/ficap/reso...ection%201.pdf

So you use a statistic that is fluffed with suicide rates to talk about how people use guns to kill other people. Gotcha.

[Alawen]

What I do is use research and consider facts when I form my opinions about things.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
— Isaac Asimov

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I do is use research and consider facts when I form my opinions about things.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
— Isaac Asimov

Facts are facts, but don't misuse them for something they have no business in. Suicides and Homicides have different meanings for a reason.

[Turp]

Suicide is about 90% of the numbers you listed, remove suicide an than check it, Because it is a very high rate of death in the USA. So redo it an look that up! Any Nation with gun control laws have insanely higher crime rate than America because only the criminals and cops have guns, they know you are unarmed so in return you are more likely to get robbed.
did some of your research for ya, stop being brainwashed gun control does not mean crazy people wont get guns, thats like saying drug control will end all drug use, its just illogical. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-with-firearms

[Autotune]

http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/colorado-...gun-free-zone/

Guess someone forgot to stop this guy at the door and inform him that the establishment prohibited guns.

[Goofier]

Dammit, gonna have to start a new thread for the pics, this one's ruined like Lindsay Lohan.

By the way, under those circumstances, I would have been carrying the XDm .45 and The Wife would have had her Ruger LC9.

Just sayin'.