Americans and Guns (post pics of your armory !)

[tunnelmule]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...86J0AM20120720

so much for the argument that easier access of guns for the law abiding citizen will help stop with such masacres.

seems it only ever helps the person who wants to do the killing

[karsten]

you sound euro, and your argument sounds fag

[karsten]

visceral if that's you btw i'm gonna facebook punch you!

[Ele]

Originally Posted by tunnelmule [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...86J0AM20120720

so much for the argument that easier access of guns for the law abiding citizen will help stop with such masacres.

seems it only ever helps the person who wants to do the killing

That seems a bit anecdotal. One isolated incident and the whole argument is suddenly invalid?

Would he not have been able to commit some form of violence with or without guns in this instance? He had improvised gas devices and set up his apartment with improvised incendiary devices. He definitely has access to means, but guns were not the only means he used or had access to.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by tunnelmule [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...86J0AM20120720

so much for the argument that easier access of guns for the law abiding citizen will help stop with such masacres.

seems it only ever helps the person who wants to do the killing

If bystanders had guns, they might have helped. I'm not sure the legal ramifications if they did, but they might have saved some lives.

For example, Kennesaw, GA requires every head of household to own a firearm. Since that law being instituted in 1982, their population has risen from 5200 to 30000 and their crime rate has decreased.

An isolated incident of batman fever has nothing to do with gun laws. The attacker would have had the same results (or worse) with a molotov cocktail in a packed movie theater.

[karsten]

guys don't get trolled by the european versions of hicks

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The attacker would have had better results with a molotov cocktail in a packed police station.

fix'd

[Eashan2.0]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eashan is my Hero !!!!

fix'd that for you

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If bystanders had guns, they might have helped.

Are you sure bystanders didn't have guns?

I think what you meant to say was: If bystanders had discharged their guns, it might have helped.

Or maybe, more accurately, you meant to say: If a bystander had brought their gun to the movie theater, managed to not get shot before he could react, identified the shooter in a chaotic, darkened theater full of screaming, fleeing victims and tear gas, drew a bead and successfully shot the spree killer, well, that might have helped.

Why is this argument important to people? The argument that "if only someone in the killing field had brought their gun shit would have been different". What about a populous already teeming with firearms makes some people think, "Gee, where can we fit moar guns?"

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you sure bystanders didn't have guns?

I think what you meant to say was: If bystanders had discharged their guns, it might have helped.

Or maybe, more accurately, you meant to say: If a bystander had brought their gun to the movie theater, managed to not get shot before he could react, identified the shooter in a chaotic, darkened theater full of screaming, fleeing victims and tear gas, drew a bead and successfully shot the spree killer, well, that might have helped.

Why is this argument important to people? The argument that "if only someone in the killing field had brought their gun shit would have been different". What about a populous already teeming with firearms makes some people think, "Gee, where can we fit moar guns?"

Obviously your points are all salient and astute.

I think you're missing the underlying assumptions of people who make these kinds of ridiculous claims. They think of that bystander as themselves, with all the attributes and abilities their video-game conception of the world applies to themselves. They actually think that in that kind of situation, with no training or drilling, that they could do that sort of thing. This is one area where military women and men would have a definite leg up, and that kind of training (if it ever sank in) combined with an available weapon may have actually saved the day. The problem is that in the grandiose mind of the average citizen, being leet at black ops means you'd know what to do in that situation, so they argue for idiotic things like "everyone shoulda had a gun."

I just used a lot of words and most of them are rambling, but I think you should be able to get what I'm saying.