Rangers

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is completely wrong. A properly geared ranger leveling up will out-dps everything but a fairly twinked rogue or similarly geared monk. And with that they will bring root parking, reliable agro, and decent tanking. I carry both a STR set and an ac/hp set for when I need to take hits, which is almost always because nobody plays a tank... but that's an issue for another thread.

It's easier to utilize your class to the best of its ability if you play a rogue or monk. They are both better dps later on. But it's profoundly fucking ignorant to say that makes rangers useless, or even undesirable, particularly when leveling.

But like he said, there's a ton of threads about this if you use the search function. I think the conclusion is that rangers have their flaws, but if properly played, can be an incredible contribution to a group. Just remember you have spells, and use them. There's too many rangers that never throw a downtime heal, or a root/snare. Such a waste.

Plus I find monks and rogues really boring.

Most rangers don't outdps warriors, of course there are exceptions in any case. Rangers are excellent though, very useful class when played by a somewhat competent player.

[Xanthias]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most rangers don't outdps warriors, of course there are exceptions in any case. Rangers are excellent though, very useful class when played by a somewhat competent player.

Huh??? seriously?

I parse every fight I'm in and I can't remember the last time a warrior out dps'd me...
Last time we did Gorenaire, Internode and I were 1 & 2 in dps for the fight, that's over monks, rogues, warriors etc.

[Silentone]

Originally Posted by Xanthias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh??? seriously?

I parse every fight I'm in and I can't remember the last time a warrior out dps'd me...
Last time we did Gorenaire, Internode and I were 1 & 2 in dps for the fight, that's over monks, rogues, warriors etc.

That gives us about as much data as saying u were number on dps on Draco.

[Xanthias]

Originally Posted by Silentone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That gives us about as much data as saying u were number on dps on Draco.

Better?

Gorenaire in 69s, 20k @287dps --- Internode 3k @50dps (17.26%) --- Xanthias 3k @45dps (15.57%) --- Sckrilla 3k @42dps (14.11%) --- Flippie 2k @38dps (11.79%) --- Khezak 2k @27dps (8.86%) --- Snackies 1k @15dps (4.57%) --- Sworen 1k @14dps (4.52%) --- Auelin 1k @18dps (4%) --- Jagganath 1k @10dps (3.36%) --- Zugsmash 1k @10dps (2.83%)

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep in mind the fact you can't parse other people's spells/procs etc. Adds more than you may think. They changed that on Live, thank god. Other people's spells started displaying as "A Gnoll Pup has taken 32159 damage from Soandso's Big Ass Flame Bolt" which the parser can pick up, though I think other's procs may still be hidden. And all but your own DS is hidden too. At any rate, the "rangers never out dps anyone" thing IS a bit of an exaggeration though, I think. And even if it weren't, take comfort in the fact that these days they're one of the best, if not the best, dps in the game if you put the right bow on them and have the right AAs.

Hey I'm not bitching, but I agree the whole blanket statement thing does get a tad annoying.

Last thought on this topic, group with rangers who have a clue about the class and you'll come away amazed.

[greatdane]

There aren't really any redeeming mechanics for rangers. It's possible for a ranger in BiS gear played by an excellent player to do better than a rogue in mediocre gear played by a lazy player. Doesn't prove anything. All else being equal, ranger is in the wrong half of the class hierarchy for every possible role - DPS, nuking, tanking, healing, buffing - of all the classes that can do those things at all. You have to be able to enjoy the fact that you can do all of them to some degree, because rangers certainly aren't specialists. The facilities simply don't exist for them to be able to do top DPS, and that's the only role that they aren't decidedly awful at. It really is a total crap class but it's possible to have a succesful group/raid with a ranger in it just as it's possible to do with someone who's five levels under everyone else. It's just not efficient in any way.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There aren't really any redeeming mechanics for rangers. It's possible for a ranger in BiS gear played by an excellent player to do better than a rogue in mediocre gear played by a lazy player. Doesn't prove anything. All else being equal, ranger is in the wrong half of the class hierarchy for every possible role - DPS, nuking, tanking, healing, buffing - of all the classes that can do those things at all. You have to be able to enjoy the fact that you can do all of them to some degree, because rangers certainly aren't specialists. The facilities simply don't exist for them to be able to do top DPS, and that's the only role that they aren't decidedly awful at. It really is a total crap class but it's possible to have a succesful group/raid with a ranger in it just as it's possible to do with someone who's five levels under everyone else. It's just not efficient in any way.

You are talking crazy stuff. A low to mid Warrior can't DPS worth a crap or hold agro worth a crap. A Paladin, unless against un dead is no DPS champ either. A SK is no real DPS champ either. Better than a Pally but not much. No Tank just knocks the crap out of anything. A Monk is probably at the top DPS wise but you will probably be using it to pull also. So the Cleric has to heal him as a tank and then he is about dead when he comes back from a pull. Not very mana efficent.

I am not saying a Ranger is Gods gift to this game but they are sure as heck not as bad as you make them out to be. Nobody is going to out damage a Rogue DPS wise but there is about 15 of them on line at any time. So big deal.

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are talking crazy stuff. A low to mid Warrior can't DPS worth a crap or hold agro worth a crap. A Paladin, unless against un dead is no DPS champ either. A SK is no real DPS champ either. Better than a Pally but not much. No Tank just knocks the crap out of anything. A Monk is probably at the top DPS wise but you will probably be using it to pull also. So the Cleric has to heal him as a tank and then he is about dead when he comes back from a pull. Not very mana efficent.

I am not saying a Ranger is Gods gift to this game but they are sure as heck not as bad as you make them out to be. Nobody is going to out damage a Rogue DPS wise but there is about 15 of them on line at any time. So big deal.

Making fun of Rangers is about as common place as gnomes in Everquest. Many people likely fall back on the joke, thinking it's true, when in reality they know next to nothing about the class. For example, the "rangers die/suck/don't dps/worthless etc" joke is still very prevalent on Live, and yet, now, they are one of the best dps classes in the game (with a bow. Still meh with melee but not bad) and are semi-decent tanks in a pinch.

Not saying that's the case with the guy you quoted, just saying... lol

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by Xanthias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh??? seriously?

I parse every fight I'm in and I can't remember the last time a warrior out dps'd me...
Last time we did Gorenaire, Internode and I were 1 & 2 in dps for the fight, that's over monks, rogues, warriors etc.

Keep in mind the fact you can't parse other people's spells/procs etc. Adds more than you may think. They changed that on Live, thank god. Other people's spells started displaying as "A Gnoll Pup has taken 32159 damage from Soandso's Big Ass Flame Bolt" which the parser can pick up, though I think other's procs may still be hidden. And all but your own DS is hidden too. At any rate, the "rangers never out dps anyone" thing IS a bit of an exaggeration though, I think. And even if it weren't, take comfort in the fact that these days they're one of the best, if not the best, dps in the game if you put the right bow on them and have the right AAs.