Game Mechanics: Pulling while Invisible

[baub]

I admittedly skimmed this thread. Invis pulling is possible on Al'Kabor, for example:

The kromzek captain in WW for bracer of bene

He sees invis, his 8 (or whatever) adds do not.

Step 1. Be invis
Step 2. Body pull
Step 3. He's single

[Treats]

Originally Posted by baub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I admittedly skimmed this thread. Invis pulling is possible on Al'Kabor, for example:

The kromzek captain in WW for bracer of bene

He sees invis, his 8 (or whatever) adds do not.

Step 1. Be invis
Step 2. Body pull
Step 3. He's single

This could have something to do with one or all of the giants being set to the wrong faction to assist, I do not know. This is what I found.

See here about halfway down the page:

http://www.castle-grounds.co.uk/eq/benevolence.htm

*WARNING* - It seems that someone is not amused at the way the Captain is being singled out, and that wandering Dragons are AIDING the Giants. *sigh* So keep an eye out for those Dragons with 'I love Giants' t-shirts wandering around.

Also see here, no invis needed:

http://monklybusiness43508.yuku.com/...3#.T_RdCKnB-uI

At 60, i just used proximity agro to pull him, i don't know if that works if you're below 60

it's duable with 1 monk (lvl61), 2 cleric (lvl56 and 61) and a shaman (lvl61), but sure not the right way to do it, warrior as MA is much more mana conserving than a monk as MA.
Pulling works fine w/o harmony and summoned shurikens

In response to Xadion --

all KoS/agro/etc IS - is faction ... even while agroed upon a mob if you hide you will see your faction change to threat- so while you are going on about differing WAYS to pull and how they are faction or invs related- it all is the same, invs is faction- hence why you can do the Shadowknight epic with hide turn ins- and yes that is classic and proper workings.

This is exactly what I explained in the third example.

Lets say an Enchanter on Project 1999 goes into West Freeport.
His faction is Kindly to the guards there.
This person wants to kill the Guard that is standing near the East Freeport zoneline.
He wants to pull the Guard out and through the front gates to the EC zoneline to kill.

In theory here on P99 he should be able to root the guard at the East Freeport zoneline and then run out without ANY aggro to the East Commons zone. When the root breaks the guard should come all by himself just like the way that Invis pulling works.

As he runs by each guard on his way out they will con Kindly to him.
When the root breaks and the Guard comes running to find him every single guard will assist him on the way out creating a huge mess of Guards.
Remember he conned ALLY as he ran by each of them on his way out yet they are still assisting the guard that the Enchanter had rooted.

Lets try something different now.
Enchanter roots the guard.
Enchanter runs out to the East Commonlands zoneline.
Enchanter invises himself.
He has now DROPPED his faction from Kindly to Indifferent on each one of the Guards that the rooted one will pass, yet NONE of them will assist.

Aggro is as you and I both have previously stated due to faction.
Why is it that the other Guards WILL aggro and change to Threatening when the player cons Kindly?
Why is it that the other Guards WILL NOT aggro when the player cons Indifferent?

Baub, is there any chance you can try and body pull Tolapumj the same way as the Kromzek Captain (or any see invis Jugg would work) on the Mac server and see what you find? I do not have a high enough level character there to test it.

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by Treats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Why is it that the other Guards WILL aggro and change to Threatening when the player cons Kindly?
Why is it that the other Guards WILL NOT aggro when the player cons Indifferent?

Treats I understand your frustration, I do not like how this mechanic works either. However, this is classic and how it's supposed to work. When I was at the EQ Dallas fantasy faire 2001 there was a discussion that poped up about this.

Here is how a Dev layed it out to make it simple.

Invis is an automatic Indifferent, non-changing ( this is key ) faction status. Think of it as faction immunity. The ONLY way this faction can be changed is by removing invis, or something that can see invis can see through it. This faction immunity does not erase or " mem blur" anything already on your hate list, it does however "block" any hate from being transfered ( I.E. guards not careing about other guards chasing after an invis person)

You even answered your own question. you said " Why WILL guards agro and CHANGE to threat "

Change is the key word here. Your faction towards them changed.They are now pissed at you, which is why they give chase and attack.

They gives two shits about whats going on while you are invis, because they are indifferent towards you. And that indifferent status will not change because Invis will not allow it to. ( immunity )



When your invis, your faction is indifferent all the way.