Open Veeshan's Peak Raid - Phara Dar - Thursday Night

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Greeedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who said anything about me preaching a higher moral ground? I do what the rules say. I will train in VP because its allowed by the GMs. I will not train outside because it is not. This is a video game - there is no moral or ethical code to it. There are rules made by GMs.

Like I said - this would have been reported the instant it happened if your argument had any validity. Noone gives two shits about pixels. The people here care more about having to deal with douchebags like Alarti day in and day out. A break from him is worth the world

So on one hand you condemn TMO for "appearing to want to train a VP raid" and the other you say you will train b/c it's allowed.

You say there is no moral or ethical code to the game, but condemn TMO for not being overly friendly and sharing free dragon/raid pixels.

You are overly contradicting everything you say to stay at odds with me. If you held to the rules, you would have reported it as soon as these "rule breakers" broke the rules. Yet instead you with-held it for whatever your own personal reasons were as a guild/pug.

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you were actually "better than TMO", you would have reported it immediately without saying anything. Yet you waited, posted about in on the forums knowing Alarti couldn't refuse the opportunity to reply, and intentionally started more retarded drama.

Just saying.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just saying.

I was going to say something like that, but I am having fun staying away from blatant trolling.

Originally Posted by Greeedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And no. I did not report it because I thought along the lines you did and felt a little sorry for the guy. Notice Bisch telling him that he better log as well.

The problem is that nice guys finish last with you people. You spin and twist shit to amazing proportions.

Look at how pathetic you have become - saying that I actually PLANNED to wait for Alarti to post, as if I planned this whole thread and you all fell into my hands.

Really dude? Really?

I said that you planned to? I think you are reaching again.

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said that you planned to? I think you are reaching again.

He's referring to what I said. They think I'm in TMO.

No, I just think it's funny that everyone and their brother that's opposed to TMO loves to make the claim they're "soooo much better" than them... yet they are perfectly alright with intentionally starting idiotic troll posts and igniting forum drama at the same level TMO is. (See: Gwence's posts).

If you guys were really above TMO in maturity, you would ignore TMO, not even bother replying to what they say on the forums (you don't have to defend yourselves if you have nothing to hide) and would prove you're the better man/men/women/whatever. As I see it know, all I see is a bunch of people with literally nothing better to do with their time than argue on the internet and burn the very server they claim to love down around them.


Again, just saying.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's referring to what I said. They think I'm in TMO.

No, I just think it's funny that everyone and their brother that's opposed to TMO loves to make the claim they're "soooo much better" than them... yet they are perfectly alright with intentionally starting idiotic troll posts and igniting forum drama at the same level TMO is. (See: Gwence's posts).

If you guys were really above TMO in maturity, you would ignore TMO, not even bother replying to what they say on the forums (you don't have to defend yourselves if you have nothing to hide) and would prove you're the better man/men/women/whatever. As I see it know, all I see is a bunch of people with literally nothing better to do with their time than argue on the internet and burn the very server they claim to love down around them.


Again, just saying.

Oh haha, I figured everyone knew you were in Divinity.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's referring to what I said. They think I'm in TMO.

No, I just think it's funny that everyone and their brother that's opposed to TMO loves to make the claim they're "soooo much better" than them... yet they are perfectly alright with intentionally starting idiotic troll posts and igniting forum drama at the same level TMO is. (See: Gwence's posts).

If you guys were really above TMO in maturity, you would ignore TMO, not even bother replying to what they say on the forums (you don't have to defend yourselves if you have nothing to hide) and would prove you're the better man/men/women/whatever. As I see it know, all I see is a bunch of people with literally nothing better to do with their time than argue on the internet and burn the very server they claim to love down around them.


Again, just saying.

because everybody knows ignoring problems makes them go away

[Adrieth]

Can we just move this to R&F already? Feel like I'm browsing the WoW boards lately.

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because everybody knows ignoring problems makes them go away

The root of the problem? No. It doesn't. But this is no longer the root of any problem. It's spiraled out of control into an all out fight between guild tags where quite literally anyone under the opposing tag, and anything they do, is under such high scrutiny you'd think the top level guilds were all harboring terrorists.

People need to learn to get along. It's not a difficult concept. It's something they taught in 1st freaking grade. If you don't like the way someone else conducts themselves attempt to deal with the issue, maturely and civilly, behind closed doors without slinging your shit across the faces of innocent bystanders. If the attempts to meet reason don't work, be the better man and ignore it, don't stoop to their level, it burns all credibility you had or may ever have.

The best part is, it'd be one thing if this was all confined to RnF. But it's not. Never is. Literally EVERY Server Chat thread has to degenerate into "Lol look at TMO doing this so fatmadangrybadevilrmtbadmadfat lol XD XD ecks dee scks dee" to which Alarti replies "Omg no we arn't look at what IB did over here with this RMT lol insert Latin phrase" and suddenly the whole thing gets derailed. EVERY. THREAD.

Maybe people should turn their attention inward before criticizing everyone else around them. Then maybe this "war" will get somewhere.

[Greeedy]

Danyelle

They broke the rules. Twice. I do not like nitpicking at rules and lawyering, so I just let it go. Alarti infuriated me to the point that I made him and his whole guild aware of why I was sending the SS's. It was quite obvious they muscled the PUG out of VP last night. It was quite obvious that their SK - who ran from the zone in around a little ways until finally finding us at Nexona and camping - was there. Making this information public is a step in the right direction.

The only person derailing this thread is you. Let them answer for what they did - I do not see what role you think you have in this other than making the conversation fork into 10 different directions.

[Flunklesnarkin]

For some reason I don't think inward reflection would solve the problem of TMO's non classic attitude and cockblocking of others.


Hopefully the GM's take a look at that poll and realize a good part of the community (that is left I'm sure there are more that haven't even checked here anymore) is fed up with the situation.


Nobody is claiming to be an angel danyelle.. but saying we aren't allowed to criticize the actions of others because we might have made a mistake in the past is silly and hollow.

TMO has repeatedly shown the one thing lots of courts would agree shows that the guilty have improved.. contrition / sympathy for those they have wronged


all TMO ever says is.. you should be stronger or better because training is possible

like everybody wants to play in a game without any rules at all

might makes right apparently