Staff - Players - TMO, a Treatise on the Future of the Server

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Originally Posted by Susanbanthony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The BDA/IB/Divinity/Black Hand/Whoever can come PUG VP raids have been the most classic raiding experience I've had since I've joined P99 (though old school fear/hate clears come close). And, oddly enough, the most fun. Believe it or not, it's been fun without another group of players in VP "competing" with us. Know why? We're competing against the dragons. We sometimes fail, we sometimes succeed, but we are always learning. That is what Everquest is about. Not the bullshit this server was turned into long ago with poopsocking, FTE, rules lawyering, etc (and that TMO continues to perpetuate).

Competition can exist between players and is healthy, but why can't the "competition" stop at "Shit, they've beaten us to the zone with a capable raid force and are clearly moving toward the target. I hope they wipe, so we can have a shot. If not, cong them." Stop being assholes.

"we showed up and deserve our trophy" - I love that mentality.

[Susanbanthony]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"we showed up and deserve our trophy" - I love that mentality.

Yep. We showed up, stood there and the dragon said, "Screw it, here's your loot." We didn't have to do a thing.

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Originally Posted by Susanbanthony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep. We showed up, stood there and the dragon said, "Screw it, here's your loot." We didn't have to do a thing.

pretty much.

[radditsu]

I guess the minimal raid force with minimal amount of key classes that is essentially a glorified pickup raid who have not raided together before killing raid mobs in a zone that no longer gives the ability to hide from significant area of effect damage is "screw it , here's your loot".

I guess we have to be trained by another guild for it to count as a challenge. In that case TMO has not had a challenge in months. Why don't you go up to vp after the ban and have you guys train each other all day.

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Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess the minimal raid force with minimal amount of key classes that is essentially a glorified pickup raid who have not raided together before killing raid mobs in a zone that no longer gives the ability to hide from significant area of effect damage is "screw it , here's your loot".

I guess we have to be trained by another guild for it to count as a challenge. In that case TMO has not had a challenge in months. Why don't you go up to vp after the ban and have you guys train each other all day.

It's Everquest, everything hands you loot.

If you're getting trained by another guild on purpose and then kill it. I'd be impressed. Other than that, might as well be killing orc 1.

[karsten]

to be fair, i think we've all died more at orc1 than in VP in our lives

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's Everquest, everything hands you loot.

If you're getting trained by another guild on purpose and then kill it. I'd be impressed. Other than that, might as well be killing orc 1.

Nope, I'll just frap's it and you guys can enjoy another 2 weeks exping on alts. I follow proper codes of conduct and respect my fellow players (even you!). I, however, will not tolerate my day being ruined due to the effects of others. Racing and competition is fine as long as you do not otherwise destroy the experience of other players.

If it continues I wonder how long a "raiding guild" can go without "raiding" due to the effects of a few guys who do not understand that.

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Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope, I'll just frap's it and you guys can enjoy another 2 weeks exping on alts. I follow proper codes of conduct and respect my fellow players (even you!). I, however, will not tolerate my day being ruined due to the effects of others. Racing and competition is fine as long as you do not otherwise destroy the experience of other players.

If it continues I wonder how long a "raiding guild" can go without "raiding" due to the effects of a few guys who do not understand that.

I've watched your guild mistakenly train your own guild and mine in hate before. I hope you do realize what is going to come around post TMO suspension. You are going to have to force your newbies to not make any mistakes. Otherwise, you and your guild will be on the wrong end of a fraps. Fair warning.

I've seen the same thing happen with VD's raid in Fear. A newbie member gets lost and runs to the wrong camp with mobs on them, training another raid.

Enjoy your big talk about how you follow the rules, because one mistake will end up giving you a break.

TMO as a guild has looked the other way on many things other guilds, including IB, took for granted. We passed on IB KSing and stealing pulls from us plenty before we started playing their game with them (draco pull steals ring a bell? Rogean giving us the loot and not giving IB CT loot). So keep thinking you've done nothing wrong and your whistle is clean, keep your worry free attitude with it.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess the minimal raid force with minimal amount of key classes that is essentially a glorified pickup raid who have not raided together before killing raid mobs in a zone that no longer gives the ability to hide from significant area of effect damage is "screw it , here's your loot".

I guess we have to be trained by another guild for it to count as a challenge. In that case TMO has not had a challenge in months. Why don't you go up to vp after the ban and have you guys train each other all day.

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