Staff - Players - TMO, a Treatise on the Future of the Server

[Bruman]

What people fail to realize is that the majority of the server just isn't interested in playing how TMO plays.

EQ is a poor game to try be competitive in. It's just not designed for it. The challenge is in downing the mob, anything after that is artificial and generally silly to care about.

Everyone knows there are several guilds that can kill most raid targets, and at least TMO and BDA can handle the top end stuff too (like Gore, Trak, and honestly after VP keys are finished for the teeth we have, VP shouldn't be a problem either). So at that point the game becomes "who can train better in VP" and "who can wake up more raiders to log on at all hours", which is a really stupid game to play.

[deneauth]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What people fail to realize is that the majority of the server just isn't interested in playing how TMO plays.

EQ is a poor game to try be competitive in. It's just not designed for it. The challenge is in downing the mob, anything after that is artificial and generally silly to care about.

Everyone knows there are several guilds that can kill most raid targets, and at least TMO and BDA can handle the top end stuff too (like Gore, Trak, and honestly after VP keys are finished for the teeth we have, VP shouldn't be a problem either). So at that point the game becomes "who can train better in VP" and "who can wake up more raiders to log on at all hours", which is a really stupid game to play.

I have seen the excuse for the last paragraph of your post before, the answer was they put up with it from IB and thus so should you from them. Which is a terrible way to look at anything and in real life situations that argument holds no water. The server could use a fresh new take on endgame raiding then perhaps casuals like myself might even try to raid again. I am completely indifferent about raiding right now because there is no point wasting energy getting upset over something so silly but I would enjoy seeing content I never got to see on live. If I ever got a VP key no way would I want to go into that zone and get trained for 8 hours straight. Not fun at all. Fun for the trainers I suppose but its a waste of my time.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by deneauth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have seen the excuse for the last paragraph of your post before, the answer was they put up with it from IB and thus so should you from them. Which is a terrible way to look at anything and in real life situations that argument holds no water. The server could use a fresh new take on endgame raiding then perhaps casuals like myself might even try to raid again. I am completely indifferent about raiding right now because there is no point wasting energy getting upset over something so silly but I would enjoy seeing content I never got to see on live. If I ever got a VP key no way would I want to go into that zone and get trained for 8 hours straight. Not fun at all. Fun for the trainers I suppose but its a waste of my time.

I in no way speak for guild leadership but I fully expect TMO to come back and kill everything, we are a raid guild who hasnt raided in two weeks for you to expect anything different is naive. How long we will continue to track and kill less important targets is the question. I dont have an answer to that

[deneauth]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I in no way speak for guild leadership but I fully expect TMO to come back and kill everything, we are a raid guild who hasnt raided in two weeks for you to expect anything different is naive. How long we will continue to track and kill less important targets is the question. I dont have an answer to that

I do understand, I am not naive, I guess I was stirring the pot and for that I apologize. I just want to get some brainstorming started on where we can all go from here. It's not like I was trying to say you all should refrain from raiding altogether because that is just unreasonable. The targets you all kill that you don't need anymore might as well be left up for others to kill beacuse what would the point in killing them be anyway? But yeah it's not like I am speaking for anyone in particular other than myself right now, just throwing some opinions out there you know?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by deneauth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do understand, I am not naive, I guess I was stirring the pot and for that I apologize. I just want to get some brainstorming started on where we can all go from here. It's not like I was trying to say you all should refrain from raiding altogether because that is just unreasonable. The targets you all kill that you don't need anymore might as well be left up for others to kill beacuse what would the point in killing them be anyway? But yeah it's not like I am speaking for anyone in particular other than myself right now, just throwing some opinions out there you know?

Sorry my "you" was meant for the general populace not a direct response.

Imo release an optional velious beta so we can go testing

[deneauth]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry my "you" was meant for the general populace not a direct response.

Imo release an optional velious beta so we can go testing

Aye, until then I guess patience is our best bet hehe!

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What people fail to realize is that the majority of the server just isn't interested in playing how TMO plays.

EQ is a poor game to try be competitive in. It's just not designed for it. The challenge is in downing the mob, anything after that is artificial and generally silly to care about.

Everyone knows there are several guilds that can kill most raid targets, and at least TMO and BDA can handle the top end stuff too (like Gore, Trak, and honestly after VP keys are finished for the teeth we have, VP shouldn't be a problem either). So at that point the game becomes "who can train better in VP" and "who can wake up more raiders to log on at all hours", which is a really stupid game to play.

EQ is a great game for competition. However, most people are carebears and don't learn how to fully utilize their characters. It's not hard to steal a train and derail it, but most people don't want to do it because it involves more than "tank and spank".

It's just sad that p99 has the WoW mentality raiding aspect from players." Let's all do absolutely nothing challenging and all end up in the same pixels and talk in chat rooms." Sounds dumb, is dumb.

[falkun]

Stealin:
I have a blast derailing trains from other people to save their group or just show it can be done, the challenge of dealing with the extra mobs and all.

I don't enjoy derailing trains getting dropped on top of me because another entity is trying to ruin my day. If someone is going to ruin my day, I want the ability to ruin theirs right back. That's why game-developers created first person shooters, team-based games, and fight games. DOTA, TF2, WoW battlegrounds, PVP servers, CS:S, MW4, Tekken, all of these games were developed so people could bash their heads against each other and proclaim victory. Dropping a train on someone to intentionally screw with them is like the toddler that comes in and bulldozes the other's sand castle. It's beyond childish and no one does it passed age 4, except with internet anonymity.

Nirgon:
And here is where your argument falls apart:

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and were in 1999

The ball, as Nilbog has pointed out, is in *our* court as players. Fighting over 13 year old content is something the top minority has inflicted upon this server and the only reason it is that way is because those toddlers get jollies knocking over our 13 year old sand castle.