why not classic resists?

[Null]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So many retarded people in this thread. Null has said classic resists aren't an issue. He has purposely designed it to be a custom resist set, and what many of us are saying is that for a server that claims to be so classic that many other good ideas are shot down as "not classic" why are we changing one of the fundamental truths of eq pvp, classic resists.

I am willing to listen to reasons why the current resists put PvP balance in a worse place than classic resists. I will also change things (as I have done many times before) if I am convinced things are not working as well as they could.

However if you just want the resists classic, because classic... thats not going to get very far. The goal was/is to make PvP more balanced than it was on live with as little impact to PvE as possible, which pretty much limits changes to underlying mechanics.

[Tr0llb0rn]

Originally Posted by Null [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am willing to listen to reasons why the current resists put PvP balance in a worse place than classic resists. I will also change things (as I have done many times before) if I am convinced things are not working as well as they could.

However if you just want the resists classic, because classic... thats not going to get very far. The goal was/is to make PvP more balanced than it was on live with as little impact to PvE as possible, which pretty much limits changes to underlying mechanics.

Null, you suceeded in your goal. Do not let them troll you.

Just fix bolts through walls.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Tr0llb0rn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Null, you suceeded in your goal. Do not let them troll you.

Just fix bolts through walls.

this is so laughable coming from the guild that stacked three mages at bats n bugs to bolt through walls at our naggy raid. bolts through walls was already fixed btw, you need LOS now on bolts at the start, not the end, the issue is that many walls, such as sol b walls and the walls outside sol b, for whatever reason, aren't considered "walls" by the game.

[Maze]

Originally Posted by Tr0llb0rn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Null, you suceeded in your goal. Do not let them troll you.

Just fix bolts through walls.

agree with random troll, shits fine.

[SearyxTZ]

Originally Posted by Null [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am willing to listen to reasons why the current resists put PvP balance in a worse place than classic resists. I will also change things (as I have done many times before) if I am convinced things are not working as well as they could.

However if you just want the resists classic, because classic... thats not going to get very far. The goal was/is to make PvP more balanced than it was on live with as little impact to PvE as possible, which pretty much limits changes to underlying mechanics.

This is a way better response, Null pal. "Resists are intended to be custom" by itself scares the shit out of people.


Most people agreed that CC spells should be classic, and you listened + changed that. That was by far the biggest issue with the resist system. I'd bet it's in a pretty good place right now.

I have a hard time buying that anything else is that big of a deal. Clerics/chanters landing their shitty nukes 10% of the time instead of 2%? I'm fine with that. Clerics not being able to do any damage 1v1 in classic was always kind of stupid.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by Null [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am willing to listen to reasons why the current resists put PvP balance in a worse place than classic resists. I will also change things (as I have done many times before) if I am convinced things are not working as well as they could.

However if you just want the resists classic, because classic... thats not going to get very far. The goal was/is to make PvP more balanced than it was on live with as little impact to PvE as possible, which pretty much limits changes to underlying mechanics.

This implies things weren't perfectly fine in classic.

Pray tell, what exactly was wrong with classic resists? I bet it will be easily refuted by any competent player who played classic era.

[Null]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This implies things weren't perfectly fine in classic.

Pray tell, what exactly was wrong with classic resists? I bet it will be easily refuted by any competent player who played classic era.

Complete immunity to CC spells at easy to obtain resists and being functionally immune to spell damage at moderately high levels of resists.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by Null [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Complete immunity to CC spells at easy to obtain resists and being functionally immune to spell damage at moderately high levels of resists.

If everyone were supposed to CC, they would have made root, snare, stun and such harder to resist like mez.

The fact that they didn't reveals that those aren't the intended roles for those classes, therefore changing it fundamentally alters the game.

Enchanters weren't a big dps threat, but with debuffs and their CCs, they had their role. Clerics are healers, they were given enough CC (roots/stuns) to manage in pve, but their movement impairing effects were resistible at 80+ mr (like most stuns/roots) because that wasn't what their class was intended to be. They have the best heals, and armor facilitating longevity of life.

Players were NOT "functionally immune" to spells classic-velious. I don't know where you read this, but even with up to 200 resists, you'd still get killed by casters. Like I've said before, resists did not yield static damage mitigation, but random. With like 150cr, you might resist 50%, then 15% next spell. At this point, "high resists" are hardly an issue. 200 save anything wasn't a big deal.

[Null]

Enchanters weren't a big dps threat, but with debuffs and their CCs, they had their role. Clerics are healers, they were given enough CC (roots/stuns) to manage in pve, but their movement impairing effects were resistible at 80+ mr (like most stuns/roots) because that wasn't what their class was intended to be. They have the best heals, and armor facilitating longevity of life.

Have I changed any of this?

Players were NOT "functionally immune" to spells classic-velious. I don't know where you read this, but even with up to 200 resists, you'd still get killed by casters.

If you were rolling around with 200 in relevant saves against a caster in classic, you were not getting CC'd by anything and it would be very very likely that any caster throwing damaging spells at you would long run out of mana before you would die. Here with 200MR you are unlikely to get hit by much CC but there is legitimate danger in fighting multiple casters.

Like I've said before, resists did not yield static damage mitigation, but random. With like 150cr, you might resist 50%, then 15% next spell. At this point, "high resists" are hardly an issue. 200 save anything wasn't a big deal.

It's far from static here so I am not sure what you are getting at.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Null [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am willing to listen to reasons why the current resists put PvP balance in a worse place than classic resists. I will also change things (as I have done many times before) if I am convinced things are not working as well as they could.

However if you just want the resists classic, because classic... thats not going to get very far. The goal was/is to make PvP more balanced than it was on live with as little impact to PvE as possible, which pretty much limits changes to underlying mechanics.

Always will love this quote, everything is shoved down our throats here such as no jboots in botb because "IT'S CLASSIC" but yet the biggest aspect of PVP, resists, is intentionally non-classic