Level 20 Rogue with Epic

[webrunner5]

I played a Cleric for years on live on Torvo. I can tell you there are all kinds of people that THINK they can tank as a Ranger, Bard, Rogue, even a Monk, but in the end they are a horror show to heal compared to a real Warrior, SK, or Paladin trust me. The problem with a Monk is you usually have them pull , and Tank at times. They come back low on HP from the pull and if you heal them the mob agros the hell out of the healer. And you never know when the Monk has Mend up, or when he will use it or not. So you just waste a CH on them or burn up mana too fast for lesser heals. You can time a CH for a Ugly Ogre Warrior pretty well when you get used to it.

Don't get me wrong if all you got is a Rogue for a Tank that is what you have lol. Its either that or go solo on your Druid. But I knew I was in for a hell of of hard night healing them. But it is not too often you get the Holy Trinity in a group. Warrior, Cleric, Enchanter, and add a good monk as a puller.

[kilmoll]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played a Cleric for years on live on Torvo. I can tell you there are all kinds of people that THINK they can tank as a Ranger, Bard, Rogue, even a Monk, but in the end they are a horror show to heal compared to a real Warrior, SK, or Paladin trust me. The problem with a Monk is you usually have them pull , and Tank at times. They come back low on HP from the pull and if you heal them the mob agros the hell out of the healer. And you never know when the Monk has Mend up, or when he will use it or not. So you just waste a CH on them or burn up mana too fast for lesser heals. You can time a CH for a Ugly Ogre Warrior pretty well when you get used to it.

Don't get me wrong if all you got is a Rogue for a Tank that is what you have lol. Its either that or go solo on your Druid. But I knew I was in for a hell of of hard night healing them. But it is not too often you get the Holy Trinity in a group. Warrior, Cleric, Enchanter, and add a good monk as a puller.

Pretty broad statement there sir. On live I was routinely off-tanking drakes in N ToV as a rogue and using my own 2 boxed cleric to heal. You may not want to be main tanking on dragons and gods, but you can do it for short bursts as a raid saver with evasive disciplines.

[erog84]

Originally Posted by kilmoll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty broad statement there sir. On live I was routinely off-tanking drakes in N ToV as a rogue and using my own 2 boxed cleric to heal. You may not want to be main tanking on dragons and gods, but you can do it for short bursts as a raid saver with evasive disciplines.

So you're saying that your rogue is able to tank a mob with a pocket cleric using his evasive disciplines for short bursts? I don't believe that was the original topic of discussion. Could your rogue tank for extended periods of time using the same approximate amount of mana from the cleric? I doubt it, in fact I know you couldn't, there is a reason groups don't look for rogues to tank. Now if you are lvl 10, and you have a twinked rogue with a Fungi compared to a 10 paladin in leather, the choice is obviously a rogue. But the fact remains that a rogue cannot tank as well as a war/pal/sk.

[kilmoll]

At higher levels it is flat out a matter of gearing. My rogue could tank better than just about any non-end game equipped tank on the server. Agility plus some decent AC and a LOT of HP plus ridiculous amounts of hate generated makes for a very effective tank.

I merely was talking about using disciplines on big boy mobs that would 1 shot most people. There are many situations where a monk or rogue can be just as effective as a real tank....because they simply do not get hit as often.

Your statement was

I can tell you there are all kinds of people that THINK they can tank as a Ranger, Bard, Rogue, even a Monk, but in the end they are a horror show to heal compared to a real Warrior, SK, or Paladin trust me.

and I am just telling you that is not true. On a raid mob, it is probably a good idea (although the first ever kill of a dragon in EQ...before Nagy was buffed up....was tanked by a rogue).

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by kilmoll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At higher levels it is flat out a matter of gearing. My rogue could tank better than just about any non-end game equipped tank on the server. Agility plus some decent AC and a LOT of HP plus ridiculous amounts of hate generated makes for a very effective tank.

I merely was talking about using disciplines on big boy mobs that would 1 shot most people. There are many situations where a monk or rogue can be just as effective as a real tank....because they simply do not get hit as often.

Your statement was and I am just telling you that is not true. On a raid mob, it is probably a good idea (although the first ever kill of a dragon in EQ...before Nagy was buffed up....was tanked by a rogue).

I stated this looking at it as a Cleric healer. Hell a Enchanter can Tank if you have 5 Clerics in a group healing it. I agree it is all about gear. And a Ogre Warrior with Cobalt and a ton of AC is my best friend. But most Rogues are squishy just like most other non Tanks. The starting stats alone along with stun resist is why most Tanks are Large race.

Nobody in their right mind is going to do a /who all LFG and pick a Rogue to be their tank in P1999 trust me. And I, like most people on here never ask somone what kind of gear they have to be invited to a group. I'll take a Shaman as a Tank over a Rogue anyday thank you.

The main reason I like a Troll or Ogre Warrior or SK is they have a lot of AC and HP. As a Cleric you are most of the time the group leader. And you are getting a lot of tells from the group and from others that want to join in the zone etc. So I like the slow steady pace that they, the Tank, looses hp so I can time a CH at about 35% health. Any other kind of "Tank" I am busy as hell doing lesser heals for more mana to keep them up or wasting a CH.. So less time to relax and less time to respond to tells, and more chance for the group to wipe. It is just what I am comfortable with with years of on the job training lol. Your milage may very. I am not saying you are wrong or right. It just what "I" like.