Obvious RMT is Obvious

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once again, "evidence" is a red herring that doesn't exist and that isn't fooling anyone in this thread -- you're working against yourself. You keep stomping your feet and saying "that doesn't prove anything", but nothing would prove what you want proven. There is absolutely no way to prove that Daliant RMT'd without logs that are accessible only to GMs. Everyone knows that -- so when you ask for evidence, you make yourself (or more pertinently, the people you're defending) look guilty.

The guy provided e-mail addresses, an RL name, and a long enough dialogue to satisfy concerns about fabrication -- to most reasonable people, that's enough to assume Daliant probably did RMT. Honestly, I entered this thread thinking Daliant was a friendly guy, good player, and highly unlikely to RMT. I'm a third party -- it means nothing to me whether he did or not. When that poster accused TMO members, Daliant didn't come to mind at all. Then you asked for names, he said Daliant, and he even told you what items he bought. That made me wonder, but I still doubted it. You kept pushing and he provided the e-mails, an e-mail address, and a name -- and now I'd say I lean toward believing Daliant probably did RMT. I don't know a lot of trolls that would go through the trouble of fabricating an entire string of e-mails and throwing out e-mail addresses and a RL name just to make a totally innocent person look bad. And if a troll were to do that, I don't think they'd exercise the restraint of holding back pertinent details and only providing them after being badgered for them. They'd have just posted it all at once. I doubt I'm the only person that's been convinced.

And the only reason that happened is because you keep asking for more 'evidence'. Let it be and let the conversation go back to RMT and the server's health, rather than pushing the ridiculous argument that nobody in TMO RMTs. They clearly do.

There is away to prove if he rmt'd send the information to server devs, if he gets banned, Blamo!

You second paragraph is an argument ad populum, and it seems in character to make up shit about people if you are willing to make an anon troll account to just rnf. If you think this personality type is highly uncommon ill direct you to 4chan or similar internet hubs of scum.
Belief is not a burden of proof, but then again I am an atheist and am not prone to such fantasies of the mind. I may believe Daliant has done something shady but my rational mind knows to investigate further for real evidence.
I will always take the word of a guildie or someone i know over some anon forum troll.


I dont think that everyone in TMO is guilt free. We have reason to believe that Durison RMT'd or was rmting so we booted him and outing him. We have no reason to believe Daliant is rmting however. Every cheater we or someone else has identified with real evidence has been booted.

[Alarti0001]

Also to clear up what a generic red herring is since you seem misinformed

Red herring – argument given in response to another argument, which is irrelevant and draws attention away from subject of argument

Substantial evidence is the argument and is ALWAYS relevant

[Mantel]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

.I dont think that everyone in TMO is guilt free. We have reason to believe that Durison RMT'd or was rmting so we booted him and outing him. We have no reason to believe Daliant is rmting however. Every cheater we or someone else has identified with real evidence has been booted.

LOL you had reason to believe Duri was RMTing.. you mean.. "we waited to "boot" Durison till after he stripped not only his toon but other guildys toon and then sold all items, and changed his phone # oh and a GM confirmed he did indeed strip the toons. Oh and Durison even admitted it.
At this point we had our "evidence" that he was indeed RMTing, so we went ahead and removed him.

[Mantel]

BTW Alarti hows the virgin life working out for ya? Perhaps do some RMTing and go to a rub and tug?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Mantel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL you had reason to believe Duri was RMTing.. you mean.. "we waited to "boot" Durison till after he stripped not only his toon but other guildys toon and then sold all items, and changed his phone # oh and a GM confirmed he did indeed strip the toons. Oh and Durison even admitted it.
At this point we had our "evidence" that he was indeed RMTing, so we went ahead and removed him.

this all happened in one day so ya when we suspected he was rmting we booted him and removed his access, once we proved he was rmting we reported it to the server.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also to clear up what a generic red herring is since you seem misinformed

Red herring – argument given in response to another argument, which is irrelevant and draws attention away from subject of argument

Substantial evidence is the argument and is ALWAYS relevant

No, it's not, because there is no such thing as "substantial evidence". I don't understand why this is difficult for you. Everyone here understands that the only incontrovertible evidence is in the logs -- and only GMs can access the logs. Therefore, incontrovertible evidence is an impossibility -- and impossibilities are irrelevant. With that in mind, asking a non-GM for "substantial evidence" is a) mouth-gapingly stupid, and b) a clear red herring. You're drawing attention away from the accusation and the circumstantial evidence by demanding an impossibility.

[Mantel]

LOL happened in one day. You really are as dumb as you look. To think he never did it before that day shows how in denial you are. Keep drinking the coolaid brew.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Mantel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL happened in one day. You really are as dumb as you look. To think he never did it before that day shows how in denial you are. Keep drinking the coolaid brew.

Didnt say he didnt, just said when we found out we booted him. The line up you described in your earlier post happened in one day.

Lol @ slapen calling someone a virg....get on back to eqmac you couldn't hack it here

[Mantel]

BTW Alarti remember when you swore up and down that NO one in TMO did anything shady with Uthgaard? How did that work out for ya. You are in such denial, and think TMO members are you friends. NEWSFLASH: NO one gives two shits about you, and will do anything including sell you out for more loot. BTW say it with me ..sunlight!

[Mantel]

rotfl eqmac? I never played there never have never will. Sweet try thoe.