TMO adds Gorenaire to the endangered dragon list

Loke · #1 04-23-2012, 09:03 AM

I don't get why people feel they need to diminish how much TMO is dominating the server by claiming it is only because they care the most. That is how EQ has always worked. That is actually how most things work. People who care about things are generally good at those things. You guys should honestly be grateful they're being mildly cool about it with the whole opening up mobs and not being too big of cocks on the forums. IB weren't dicks on the forums, but I can't think of more than one or two times we actually gave someone else a mob. Sure, 90% of the gear those mobs drop is probably worthless to TMO, but just about everything drops something worth looting, so it is cool of them regardless.

As for competition, it'll come back. Right now is just like it was with IB and Trans or IB and DA. Back then IB got 99% of the mobs too, and it was like that for like a year. Either new content or prolonged periods of old content will eventually change that. New content brings old players back which reinvigorates competition. Prolonged old content sees a huge exodus of players from the top guilds - with people disappearing faster than are being recruited, smaller guilds move in an are able to compete because fielding a 35 man raid at 2am becomes impossible for basically everyone. Same shit, just different people.

Lazortag · #2 04-23-2012, 12:12 PM

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I don't get why people feel they need to diminish how much TMO is dominating the server by claiming it is only because they care the most. That is how EQ has always worked. That is actually how most things work. People who care about things are generally good at those things. You guys should honestly be grateful they're being mildly cool about it with the whole opening up mobs and not being too big of cocks on the forums. IB weren't dicks on the forums, but I can't think of more than one or two times we actually gave someone else a mob. Sure, 90% of the gear those mobs drop is probably worthless to TMO, but just about everything drops something worth looting, so it is cool of them regardless.

I'm not one to lessen TMO's accomplishments, they've come a long way as a guild and I congratulate them for an almost-clean sweep yesterday (they didn't get Master Yael or Noble Dojorn if anyone was wondering). I'm also very grateful that they're offering a raid mob every week and I think it is very generous of them to do this. But if I say something like, "the casual guilds would have done better if the repops didn't happen at 10 in the morning", that's not to attack TMO, that's just pre-empting the tired old argument that casual guilds don't do well because they just somehow aren't good at the game. I know not everyone from TMO thinks that, but surely a lot of people do. And it's funny how you say that the raid scene is fair because the people who care the most will get better returns. No one is saying that you should be able to not care at all and get free loot. I don't speak for all casual players but I think what we don't like is anti-competitive behaviour (like poopsocking, which doesn't seem to be the norm anymore, but it was when there was actual competition). I think we also don't like having to invest insane amount of time for uncertain gains. I tracked Talendor, Gore, and Sev for a combined total of around 4 days (this is only counting time that I was awake; the mobs' windows were much longer than 1.333.. days each); my guild only got one of those mobs. One of them was a total waste of time tracking (Gore) because of the server repop (not that I'm against server repops!). If you think it's at all reasonable for a person to devote that much time for so little gain you are crazy. And that's probably why classic was never like this, because any sensible person would have said that 96 hour windows on raid mobs are stupid.

quido · #3 04-23-2012, 12:14 PM

I tracked raid mobs for weeks and weeks before we ever killed one of the mobs for which I was tracking.

Lazortag · #4 04-23-2012, 12:16 PM

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I tracked raid mobs for weeks and weeks before we ever killed one of the mobs for which I was tracking.

Right, and it's completely unreasonable to have to waste that much time. I mean surely you earned the position you're in now, but you can't tell me that wasting weeks of your life is a reasonable entry cost to competing for raid mobs on this server.

Alarti0001 · #5 04-23-2012, 12:32 PM

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Right, and it's completely unreasonable to have to waste that much time. I mean surely you earned the position you're in now, but you can't tell me that wasting weeks of your life is a reasonable entry cost to competing for raid mobs on this server.

Have more than one tracker !

Lazortag · #6 04-23-2012, 12:59 PM

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Have more than one tracker !

The amount of time wasted is still the same no matter how many people you divide it amongst. And I wasn't the only one tracking, lots of people from my guild helped/offered to help. I'm not here to qq, for me it was actually not at all hard to track for that long because I had exams to study for, so I was basically tied to the computer. I'm just commenting on how ridiculous of a time investment it is to track even a single raid mob. It wasn't like that in classic for reasons that should be obvious.

Arteker · #7 04-23-2012, 03:09 PM

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Right, and it's completely unreasonable to have to waste that much time. I mean surely you earned the position you're in now, but you can't tell me that wasting weeks of your life is a reasonable entry cost to competing for raid mobs on this server.

in live back in the age , without vent and other stuff , u did that and worse things to keep up in any real top end raid guild.

what some find good and sane not always is for everyone and vice versa

Lazortag · #8 04-23-2012, 03:39 PM

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in live back in the age , without vent and other stuff , u did that and worse things to keep up in any real top end raid guild.

This simply isn't true. Mobs did not have 4 day windows on Live.

Alarti0001 · #9 04-23-2012, 04:06 PM

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This simply isn't true. Mobs did not have 4 day windows on Live.

Yes so you had multiple guilds racing and training the shit out of each other to a mob. Live just didn't have poopsocking because you had to wait till you had enough people online to kill something.

Arteker · #10 04-23-2012, 05:20 PM

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This simply isn't true. Mobs did not have 4 day windows on Live.

No , but u had euros / us/asian guilds, u had tons of patchs , servers down, game was to much unstable, u had to test many things , not like now where u all go allkazam to chek stuff.

If u wanted to be on high end guilds u have to stick to the bitter end , if that means u lose whole lvls u did .

There wasnt easy mode in live eq .