TMO adds Gorenaire to the endangered dragon list

maverixdamighty · #1 04-23-2012, 06:40 AM

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BDA and VD were the only guilds that had any sort of force online at the server restart aside from TMO. We each had less than 30. We went straight to Hate and by the time we started making some headway towards the encounters TMO rolled in after dropping Trak, VS, and Faydedar using split forces. Of course hate turned into a train shitstorm as usual and you know how that ended today.

It's going to be quite difficult to compete with that amount of people (separate 30 man raid forces) and those tactics (any encounter turns into a train fest where they assume no responsibility)

Obviously TMO is going to do what TMO does but the trains have to stop. We've been in hate the last 3 full repops and been trained every. single. time. It's not accidental, it's not us being terrible, it's not any other reason TMO will attempt to spin. If TMO wants a mob they will train you and/or FTE snipe stuff with eyes and pets and there's nothing anyone can do aside from resorting to those same tactics.

BDA isnt going to resort to those tactics. Maybe if TMO would set a better example this server would be a nicer place to play, until then feel free to run roughshod over P99.

I was in hate and didn't see it happen that way but there are always two sides to every story. Also most of your post is full of misinformation. Taken and Divinity both had raid forces going after targets, your list of mobs we killed prior to coming to hate is not correct, etc.. I believe it was like 18 ppl that went to fay with almost no dps. And the part about BDA not FTE sniping stuff and not resorting to those tactics isn't accurate. I can recall air raid leapfrogs, epic mob FTE over camped groups etc.

edit: not trying to flame BDA as i've met lots of cool people there, but rather just trying to say the above post is full of BS.

arsenalpow · #2 04-23-2012, 07:25 AM

Minor details withstanding (which mobs TMO got before hate) the majority of my post is accurate. I don't really care however you want to spin it and don't care if anyone believes what I say. It's what I experienced today and the rest of my guild can vouch for it.

When BDA was mobilizing for Hate there was "too many to count" TMO and VD, conversely there were like 3 Taken, 2 Divinity, and 1 Acyrid.

Aside from us getting Dojo what other targets did Taken/Div/Acyrid down? It looks like TMO got pretty much a clean sweep. We got muscled out of Hate and VD almost got Draco before a train downed them. I'm not trying to say how awesome we are for getting Dojo, he's obviously at the bottom end of the food chain, I'm just curious as to what targets TMO didn't get.

Sadad · #3 04-23-2012, 07:47 AM

Mavpal, shut the fuck up about a 4-month old Kirak Vil that we apologized for a zillion times done by a paladin who no longer plays

maverixdamighty · #4 04-23-2012, 08:44 AM

i didn't list specifics sadad so take your own advice. it wasn't done by one singular person it was done by an orchestrated guild force. Just pointing out that you can't play innocent acting like BDA has never done anything shady etc. I doubt there is a single guild on this server that can act like they have never done something questionable. The leapfrogging in air was much worse and burned quite a few bridges.

arsenal that's your own opinion. Ofcourse you believe what you posted is accurate just saying from another perspective it isn't accurate to me. TMO was wiped out in hate as well and we had to wait to zone up and rez. They definitely did not think they trained, but you are claiming for a fact that we trained you.

Only other target I know of is verina if you consider that one, but attempts were made at multiple things some of which you mentioned.

Loke · #5 04-23-2012, 09:03 AM

I don't get why people feel they need to diminish how much TMO is dominating the server by claiming it is only because they care the most. That is how EQ has always worked. That is actually how most things work. People who care about things are generally good at those things. You guys should honestly be grateful they're being mildly cool about it with the whole opening up mobs and not being too big of cocks on the forums. IB weren't dicks on the forums, but I can't think of more than one or two times we actually gave someone else a mob. Sure, 90% of the gear those mobs drop is probably worthless to TMO, but just about everything drops something worth looting, so it is cool of them regardless.

As for competition, it'll come back. Right now is just like it was with IB and Trans or IB and DA. Back then IB got 99% of the mobs too, and it was like that for like a year. Either new content or prolonged periods of old content will eventually change that. New content brings old players back which reinvigorates competition. Prolonged old content sees a huge exodus of players from the top guilds - with people disappearing faster than are being recruited, smaller guilds move in an are able to compete because fielding a 35 man raid at 2am becomes impossible for basically everyone. Same shit, just different people.

Lazortag · #6 04-23-2012, 12:12 PM

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I don't get why people feel they need to diminish how much TMO is dominating the server by claiming it is only because they care the most. That is how EQ has always worked. That is actually how most things work. People who care about things are generally good at those things. You guys should honestly be grateful they're being mildly cool about it with the whole opening up mobs and not being too big of cocks on the forums. IB weren't dicks on the forums, but I can't think of more than one or two times we actually gave someone else a mob. Sure, 90% of the gear those mobs drop is probably worthless to TMO, but just about everything drops something worth looting, so it is cool of them regardless.

I'm not one to lessen TMO's accomplishments, they've come a long way as a guild and I congratulate them for an almost-clean sweep yesterday (they didn't get Master Yael or Noble Dojorn if anyone was wondering). I'm also very grateful that they're offering a raid mob every week and I think it is very generous of them to do this. But if I say something like, "the casual guilds would have done better if the repops didn't happen at 10 in the morning", that's not to attack TMO, that's just pre-empting the tired old argument that casual guilds don't do well because they just somehow aren't good at the game. I know not everyone from TMO thinks that, but surely a lot of people do. And it's funny how you say that the raid scene is fair because the people who care the most will get better returns. No one is saying that you should be able to not care at all and get free loot. I don't speak for all casual players but I think what we don't like is anti-competitive behaviour (like poopsocking, which doesn't seem to be the norm anymore, but it was when there was actual competition). I think we also don't like having to invest insane amount of time for uncertain gains. I tracked Talendor, Gore, and Sev for a combined total of around 4 days (this is only counting time that I was awake; the mobs' windows were much longer than 1.333.. days each); my guild only got one of those mobs. One of them was a total waste of time tracking (Gore) because of the server repop (not that I'm against server repops!). If you think it's at all reasonable for a person to devote that much time for so little gain you are crazy. And that's probably why classic was never like this, because any sensible person would have said that 96 hour windows on raid mobs are stupid.

quido · #7 04-23-2012, 12:14 PM

I tracked raid mobs for weeks and weeks before we ever killed one of the mobs for which I was tracking.

Lazortag · #8 04-23-2012, 12:16 PM

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I tracked raid mobs for weeks and weeks before we ever killed one of the mobs for which I was tracking.

Right, and it's completely unreasonable to have to waste that much time. I mean surely you earned the position you're in now, but you can't tell me that wasting weeks of your life is a reasonable entry cost to competing for raid mobs on this server.

somnia · #9 04-23-2012, 11:24 PM

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I tracked raid mobs for weeks and weeks before we ever killed one of the mobs for which I was tracking.

Why would any sane person waste that much time of their lives?

sanluen · #10 04-23-2012, 09:55 AM

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And the part about BDA not FTE sniping stuff and not resorting to those tactics isn't accurate. I can recall air raid leapfrogs, epic mob FTE over camped groups etc.

edit: not trying to flame BDA as i've met lots of cool people there, but rather just trying to say the above post is full of BS.

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