GLOBAL ooc/auction. Poll time.

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Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

90% of the personal thank yous I receive are for NOT allowing boxing. This has nothing to do with this topic.. and I'm very happy not to facilitate robots.

There's many other servers you can do that on.. go box elsewhere.

People aren't bringing it up to say they want boxing allowed, they are bringing it up as a counter-argument to everyone who says "xxxxxxxxx isn't classic!" because it shows exceptions to the supposed strict classical mentality are made.

[nilbog]

aka, has nothing to do with current argument? Make a new thread

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

aka, has nothing to do with current argument? Make a new thread

its 100% about the thread when peoples reasoning for YES is "its classic"

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Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

aka, has nothing to do with current argument? Make a new thread

It's direct rebuttal to an argument someone makes about why OOC shouldn't be on, how are you unable to see how it's a relevant point to be made?

Person A: Global channels should be removed because they aren't classic and everything should be made to be classic on a classic server.
Person B: Well, boxing isn't allowed and classically would have been, yet you oppose boxing, therefore you don't support a strict classical setting.

[nilbog]

Yep, that's why I made a new comment. I see where you're trying to go with that.

Maybe I'll do a lottery and give 1 person the right to box? I mean its relevant I guess, but really not. ON average, no one was boxing and EVERYONE was seeing only zonewide ooc and auction.

[lumin]

I think the bottom line is this about the Classic EQ argument:

Back in 1999 the developers of EQ were going for a very hardcore world to play in. Chatting was mostly local, corpse runs were often, grouping was required and grinding was very heavy.

Removing Global OOC supports the original dev team's intention of a hardcore world. If everyone had access to multiple computers back in 1999 to 2-box, I am 99.9% positive the devs would have outlawed it as well, since it clearly steers the game away from its original intention of requiring players to be social and work together to win. Multi-boxing removes the necessity to play together and collaborate to succeed.

[Jayko]

From a strictly classic or no standpoint, the serverwide stuff doesn't have a leg to stand on. You either take playability and convenience into consideration or you don't...if it's just classic or not there's not even an argument to be had.

The one thing I'd say is that right now there's an ability to 'opt out' of the serverwide stuff. /shout works just as well for local stuff so nothing is really lost besides the micro-economy aspect of EC and zone specific auctions.

If the global channels are removed there won't be any way to opt in really...so it eliminates an option. In the end it's just for devs and community to decide whether they prefer convenience of the server-wide (and the GM task of policing the flamewars) or a strict 'classic' vibe on the server...hence the poll, I assume.

-Jayko

[nilbog]

Actually, I'll respond to that then.

In 1999, what do you think was the total population of players physically using more than 1 machine to play EQ? 2 ISDN, dial-up, or rarely cable modem machines. I'd guess about 1%.

[lumin]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, I'll respond to that then.

In 1999, what do you think was the total population of players physically using more than 1 machine to play EQ? 2 ISDN, dial-up, or rarely cable modem machines. I'd guess about 1%.

Agreed. Back in 1999, people simply did not have nearly as much capability to multi-box. Most households only had 1 PC.

Today, just about everyone has multiple computers lying around. It would be far more abused if it was used now.

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Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, I'll respond to that then.

In 1999, what do you think was the total population of players physically using more than 1 machine to play EQ? 2 ISDN, dial-up, or rarely cable modem machines. I'd guess about 1%.

That's not the point, the point is classically it would have been allowed, and it is not allowed here to help foster certain elements of the server. Not everything is strictly classical.