A Concerned Citizen Writes...

[Ashimar]

"Would it be possible when a Major High End encounter ensues for GMs/Guides etc... to invisibly observe behaviour ?"

THATS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO.

[Splorf22]

The problem is that EQ is simply not designed for player competition for raid mobs in the absence of PVP. It's just not possible for two guilds to both go for the same mob and not interfere with each other, especially in zones where the "trash" mobs are easily capable of wiping a guild, i.e. Fear/Hate. Hence, we now have instancing in MMOs.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is that EQ is simply not designed for player competition for raid mobs in the absence of PVP. It's just not possible for two guilds to both go for the same mob and not interfere with each other, especially in zones where the "trash" mobs are easily capable of wiping a guild, i.e. Fear/Hate. Hence, we now have instancing in MMOs.

until.... velious!

[Frieza_Prexus]

A certain Guild on this server will if allowed to continue in their behaviour ruin the efforts of all by repeatedly ignoring any adherrance to the Play Nice Policies supposedly enforced throughout the server.

I would suggest that as a first step you begin listing either your specific grievances, or your specific fears. Knowing exactly what it is that has you worried will be important in establishing your concerns. Otherwise, nothing will come of this.

That said, the raiding scene is not in that bad of shape. You will hear horror stories about TMO/VD/IB all collectively being poor sports towards each other, and it does happen. However, for the most part the poor sportsmanship is limited to a number of individuals on each side. The rank and file generally "plays nice" with the others on the raiding scene, and most definitely outside of raids. The biggest problem you see (outside of smack talking which you should ignore, I know I do) is when a high-value target is nearing the end of its window and the socking begins.

Point is, most "problems" and frustrations are actually a simple fact based upon how the game is built. It is the exception, not the norm, that training KSing, and general rule breaking takes place.

There are a number of vocal people (troll or otherwise) here that are trying to paint a picture of a particular guild as a bad guy (See: Harrison & his TMO threads along with all of my unaddressed rebuttals). Take that with a grain of salt, and do some investigation.

If you are having a problem with a particular individual or group of individuals document, SS, or FRAPs the behavior. If you can prove wrongdoing, the majority of guilds on this server will discipline that member without hesitation. Granted, it is a high standard to satisfy (prooving outright wrong doing), but if you can, you will be heard.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Also, for those interested in eliminating the variance as it currently stands: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...9&postcount=62

Nilbog began a discussion in the post I listed above. It hasn't produce any fruit, but let the staff know you support that idea and it might keep gaining traction.

[Autotune]

I am a new player too!

[Grozmok]

I'm not going to jump on the Hate #1 Guild bandwagon, but I do think it's hella funny that TMO is the first to hop into the thread and get defensive.

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Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

poor sportsmanship is limited to a number of individuals on each side

As a community, we should call them out specifically, de-guild them and ostracize them. There is no place for them to go.

Either they play nice or go the way of red 99.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by Grozmok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not going to jump on the Hate #1 Guild bandwagon, but I do think it's hella funny that TMO is the first to hop into the thread and get defensive.

Yah.. I don't think they want maint. day because no matter what they say it is more difficult to kill 18+ raid targets at once before competition than socking / batphoning raid targets as they spawn with variance.


Sure they may still get the majority of raid targets.. I have no idea how large their guild is.. but others would get some also.. which is more than what is currently happening (aside from their charity).

and come velious even their guild wouldn't be able to kill every raid target on a maint day.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yah.. I don't think they want maint. day because no matter what they say it is more difficult to kill 18+ raid targets at once before competition than socking / batphoning raid targets as they spawn with variance.


Sure they may still get the majority of raid targets.. I have no idea how large their guild is.. but others would get some also.. which is more than what is currently happening (aside from their charity).

and come velious even their guild wouldn't be able to kill every raid target on a maint day.

we were larger than IB and larger than VD and usually had as much or slightly less than both when competed against them combined.

Now that IB is gone and VD has taken a step back, TMO has grown even larger. Take a moment to let that set. Some members that stopped playing due to whatever reasons decided to come back when the street got easy and TMO has also recruited heavily even after it wasn't really needed. TMO now is looking forward to destroying any competition in Kunark and for Velious.

I don't know why anyone would not want patch day respawns, it would be the only fun "event" left on all of p99.

[Frieza_Prexus]

As a community, we should call them out specifically, de-guild them and ostracize them. There is no place for them to go.

I think this is done for the most part. There's been a few notable exceptions here and there, but most guilds are willing to I'd think. As I said earlier, aside from general trolling which can typically be safely ignored, most guilds will take action when presented with strong evidence or proof of a member's misdeeds.

Yah.. I don't think they want maint. day

It is my impression that TMO, as a whole, strongly supports patch day spawns. They are extremely fun, and it becomes more about skill than socking/tracking. Right now mobs are dominated by trackers. When you're racing, a single wipe or messed up pull costs you time which loses mobs.

It really sucks when you miss a patch day, I think perhaps leaving spawn times as they are and putting in a random repop once every 2-3 weeks as a supplement would be the most balanced solution.

We're a bit derailed towards an end game discussion at the moment. @ the OP: Your earlier fear about out-and-out exploiting is mostly unfounded. In my opinion. The GMs have access to extremely detailed logs and they do watch on a regular basis. I'm going to be a bit presumptuous here, but I suspect you are mentioning the controversy over our pull methods inside of VP. If you check my post history, you will find a detailed discussion addressing these exact concerns.

In the end, actual exploiting is very easy to prove if it happens. The GMs can, and eventually, will catch you. What I suspect has you worried (TMO in VP) isn't a discussion so much about exploiting, but a confusion of terms. The word "exploit" was used to describe our behavior, but it was later clarified and repudiated by the server staff. I think a more appropriate way to say would be that the server staff felt we were trivializing the content (an assertion with which we respectfully disagreed). Exploiting is a wrong, trivialization is a no-fault problem.

Again, if you'd like a more detailed analysis (along with me nearly losing my patience with a particular someone a few times), I would direct you here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=68671

If this is not what had you concerned, then feel free to ignore it.

As for this:

but I do think it's hella funny that TMO is the first to hop into the thread and get defensive.

Perhaps, but I am sure you can see how we drew the conclusion that this was likely directed at us. If our goal is to improve and maintain a good reputation, why wouldn't we join a discussion where our relationship is on the line? It's decision theory 101. The only logical choice it seems is to advocate for ourselves in a situation where we would benefit from it.