Rotation on Raid Targets ?

[Nizzarr]

here is a safe camp. North camp has 1 mob which wanders tehre, a Glare lord, the easiest of the mobs in zone.

I remember this, there was a glare lord that wandered all along the zone wall. I'd like this to be back on this server, and the 2 toads roaming the west wall and that one toad roaming from the north to south, be removed. Those weren't classic 100% sure.

[Vyal]

Sorry Nilbog thats a negative on binding in fear in 1999 dood, also you could not bind in hate maybe it was to prevent this type of thing who knows without being able to bind no one single tracker will be able to zone in alone and that is how it was I had this confirm'd on live tonight...

Also SOE has a very good stance on raiding and thats why it works so well.

My memory is still kinda blurry tho..

For instance, the golems in fear should have a chance at dropping items I still remember the first time I saw the amulet on live maybe sometime in dec of 99 and I know that amulet drop'd on a golem.

There are alot of people playing man everyone has like a lvl 50 now there just needs to be more content everything is just way to camped these fights are going to just keep getting worse and worse and worse.

[nilbog]

I'll let someone else take over the linking. I'm not validating myself any more on this topic.

[TheDudeAbides]

I get defensive about this shit because I work hard on it and it sucks when people spread propaganda lies like its fact. I know thats the nature of the internet, but can't I rant and flame as well?

A couple googled message board posts from some anonymous guys and you want to talk about propaganda and lies? There isn't a single time stamped date on any post you provided from 1999. Maybe my memory is blurry and casters could bind there, but as far as I remember that was not possible or people didn't do it because it was suicide to be bound there, since there was no safe spot to just "chill". If you were bound there, you didn't stay bound there.

There was a glare lord or something that pathed right through N Wall safe spot or something. There was no "safe spot" in Fear. That's why "breaking fear" was such a big deal. If you wanted to raid there, you needed to break it or face a horrible CR that could take hours.

If CT spawned while the zone was being cleared, He'd repop the entire zone as well if I remember right which could potentially get very ugly, but we're talking memories from 10 years ago. One thing I know for sure though, is that Fear wasn't a place where you could just go afk and chill solo somewhere.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A couple googled message board posts from some anonymous guys .

Well, there were 15 of them, not a couple. And if it matters, one of those threads had a post from ME in it. I guess I could post 50 more, but it wouldn't make a difference to you.

If you want something changed, make a bug report stating what you believe to be inaccurate about it. I don't see any bug reports about how planar binding should or should not be working. (Like I said, im still of the opinion fear should be bindable, I have no idea about hate, someone bug it if its not supposed to be bindable)I don't see bug reports about that glare lord in fear, (which I'm fixing, thanks Nizzarr.)

I never said that there was a "safe" spot in fear. I said "As far as N wall camp, that was the preferred strategy up until people realized you could just SW and mez things." With enough evidence, like Nizzarr is providing, I can fix it. I'm always down to make things harder, trust me there [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Gwence]

Jeffrey is just one of those people that likes to complain about everything, but never has a solution.

AKA a completely useless person

[TheDudeAbides]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, there were 15 of them, not a couple. And if it matters, one of those threads had a post from ME in it. I guess I could post 50 more, but it wouldn't make a difference to you.

If you want something changed, make a bug report stating what you believe to be inaccurate about it. I don't see any bug reports about how planar binding should or should not be working. (Like I said, im still of the opinion fear should be bindable, I have no idea about hate, someone bug it if its not supposed to be bindable)I don't see bug reports about that glare lord in fear, (which I'm fixing, thanks Nizzarr.)

I never said that there was a "safe" spot in fear. I said "As far as N wall camp, that was the preferred strategy up until people realized you could just SW and mez things." With enough evidence, like Nizzarr is providing, I can fix it. I'm always down to make things harder, trust me there [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me be clear. I'm not trying to argue with you. I do greatly respect the time and effort you folks have put into the server. I want the end game to be enjoyable for people and challenging. I wanted to get to the bottom of this, so I asked some real old school raiding friends what they remember, one was a druid who was one the first players worldwide to set foot in fear. From what he remembers, during the first 2 weeks it was open, anyone could zone in, regardless of level, bind ect.

Then there was a lot of people upset over what was called the "Ogre cam" and then they changed it/tweaked the zone 2 weeks later. Bind may have removed for a time until the fear revamp, at least that's what i remember since nobody back in the day in their right mind actually bound there, since there wasn't a safe spot. My other friend also remembers the same thing. You didn't bind there, especially to sit and track mobs. He absolutely remembers that you could not bind in POH at all, and as a matter of fact, you were only allowed to track Inno from the second floor if I'm not mistaken. The problem is there isn't a complete history of the original EQ patches. SOE's database goes as far back as 2004. FOH and LOS about 2000. I did find one link that had several patch overviews, but the entire history when those fear changes took place are missing which is basically the entire summer of 99.

I'm gonna dig up an old school kunark disk and see if I can dig up some patch history -P

[Dabamf]

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me be clear. I'm not trying to argue with you. I do greatly respect the time and effort you folks have put into the server. I want the end game to be enjoyable for people and challenging. I wanted to get to the bottom of this, so I asked some real old school raiding friends what they remember, one was a druid who was one the first players worldwide to set foot in fear. From what he remembers, during the first 2 weeks it was open, anyone could zone in, regardless of level, bind ect.

Then there was a lot of people upset over what was called the "Ogre cam" and then they changed it/tweaked the zone 2 weeks later. Bind may have removed for a time until the fear revamp, at least that's what i remember since nobody back in the day in their right mind actually bound there, since there wasn't a safe spot. My other friend also remembers the same thing. You didn't bind there, especially to sit and track mobs. He absolutely remembers that you could not bind in POH at all, and as a matter of fact, you were only allowed to track Inno from the second floor if I'm not mistaken. The problem is there isn't a complete history of the original EQ patches. SOE's database goes as far back as 2004. FOH and LOS about 2000. I did find one link that had several patch overviews, but the entire history when those fear changes took place are missing which is basically the entire summer of 99.

I'm gonna dig up an old school kunark disk and see if I can dig up some patch history -P

First of all: no one cares what you think.

Second of all: Anecdotal memories are absurdly unreliable, as has been proven many times over by psychologists. All this "I remember," "he remembers" bullshit is completely worthless, especially when you are faced against people posting 15 different posts from that era talking about being bound in fear.

You are floating into Siinge-level retardation. I don't think you want to go there.

[eqdruid76]

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A couple googled message board posts from some anonymous guys and you want to talk about propaganda and lies? There isn't a single time stamped date on any post you provided from 1999. Maybe my memory is blurry and casters could bind there, but as far as I remember that was not possible or people didn't do it because it was suicide to be bound there, since there was no safe spot to just "chill". If you were bound there, you didn't stay bound there.

There was a glare lord or something that pathed right through N Wall safe spot or something. There was no "safe spot" in Fear. That's why "breaking fear" was such a big deal. If you wanted to raid there, you needed to break it or face a horrible CR that could take hours.

If CT spawned while the zone was being cleared, He'd repop the entire zone as well if I remember right which could potentially get very ugly, but we're talking memories from 10 years ago. One thing I know for sure though, is that Fear wasn't a place where you could just go afk and chill solo somewhere.

You realize you're arguing with the guy that's paid hundreds of his own real world dollars to give you something to do on a Saturday night besides masturbate in a tube sock, right?

Perspective.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by eqdruid76 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You realize you're arguing with the guy that's paid hundreds of his own real world dollars to give you something to do on a Saturday night besides masturbate in a tube sock, right?

Perspective.

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